Topic: Eng Vs New Zealand test matches (Read 38171 times)

Jlscarroll17 · « **Reply #135 on:** June 06, 2021, 09:07:58 PM »

I certainly don�t condone the tweets however, Robinson had already been punished for them, he was sacked by Yorkshire. Struggling to see why an event that took place 8/9 years ago now costs the lad his international career and a further investigation is to be carried out. I guess this takes the pressure and eye off the ECB regarding their own potential racism case towards the umpires

SD · « **Reply #136 on:** June 06, 2021, 09:27:33 PM »

It was inevitable that he would be withdrawn from the next test and will now, like Overton, face a ban before returning to continue his career.

Sportsman are lucky that they get off with minor punishments for their indiscretions. In the real world people lose their jobs

ppccopener · « **Reply #137 on:** June 06, 2021, 09:46:28 PM »

If the ECB want to promote diversity they could start with the MCC and Lords.

Upper class white male does not represent the multi racial London I have lived in for the last 50 years.

The hypocrisy is staggering.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #138 on:** June 06, 2021, 09:58:32 PM »

Anything to avoid talking about class.

brokenbat · « **Reply #139 on:** June 07, 2021, 02:16:14 AM »

Quote from: SouthpawMark on June 06, 2021, 08:54:14 PM

Disgusting decision from the ECB. I am disgusted.

In any other (semi lucrative) profession, he wouldn�t even have been hired. HR would have done a background check, found the tweets and rejected his application. In the grand scheme of things, he�s lucky that he�s a cricketer- will do some �learning�, apologize again, and be back in the fold.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #140 on:** June 07, 2021, 06:55:58 AM »

Given being a PRO Sportsman is such a lucrative and privileged career I do believe you do have to act accordingly because like it or not, you have more influence than you probably should. It looks like his first county realised this and fired him (rightly) but again, another county thinks 'wooo, we get a free bee player'.. They should have looked at his background and most certainly the ECB should have before even being considered for ANY form of ECB training groups or 2020/ODI or Test squads.

Sadly, I don't believe that the 'He was 18' is a valid argument because people know right from wrong. There are 'mistakes' and then there are 'mistakes' that you sadly, can't just erase and given the current world we live in.. you can't just ignore.

Sport is a privileged career and so needs to be treated as such given the money involved in sport. I would prefer to not see him darken any England door again and for his county to look at dropping him but I suspect he will do some 'learning' and be back and as most things in sport.. all forgiven after a few wickets or runs.

After all... One player was 'sacked' just for looking out of the window...... Another gets into fights.. another gets into fight, potentially some drugs etc.... ECB really do show no leadership or consistency. Poor show all round really

Jimbo · « **Reply #141 on:** June 07, 2021, 07:14:58 AM »

I think rather than punishing him for something he did nearly ten years ago, the focus should be on using his experience to educate him and kids coming through about how making racist 'jokes' is a stepping stone to making vicious racist abuse acceptable.

I think a lot of young guys probably don't understand how making these types of comments normalises racism and eventually leads to people thinking it's okay to scream racist abuse in someone's face or assault somebody based on their race.

Hopefully the ECB use this as a chance to educate young players (and Robinson) about these things, rather than just hammering him to prove a point to corporate sponsors without taking any meaningful action to educate people and prevent future racist incidents.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #142 on:** June 07, 2021, 07:20:35 AM »

Quote from: Jimbo on June 07, 2021, 07:14:58 AM

I think rather than punishing him for something he did nearly ten years ago, the focus should be on using his experience to educate him and kids coming through about how making racist 'jokes' is a stepping stone to making vicious racist abuse acceptable.

I think a lot of young guys probably don't understand how making these types of comments normalises racism and eventually leads to people thinking it's okay to scream racist abuse in someone's face or assault somebody based on their race.

Hopefully the ECB use this as a chance to educate young players (and Robinson) about these things, rather than just hammering him to prove a point to corporate sponsors without taking any meaningful action to educate people and prevent future racist incidents.

I mean, you're right.. ECB are doing it purely as a PR stunt.. However... By hammering him, you are sending the message out there that this sort of thing really is unacceptable. If you know you can do things and then maybe get a small fine, game or two off... but be back in earning the bucks then where is the deterrent ?

WEPL seem to be doing a PR stunt with regards to sledging/abuse.. Some lovely cards and words appearing from umpires at the start of the games so far this year... However, within about 6 balls of the game the sledging/abuse starts at/to or about the batsmen and nothing happens.. Amusing in a way and just proves that sadly, only punishments work. Saying things to people doesn't really work unless you are ACTIVELY enforcing.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #143 on:** June 07, 2021, 07:44:16 AM »

I appreciate Robinson has a public profile and carries the responsibility that goes with that, but I wish people would be more honest about how often they have heard these kind of 'jokes' and stop pretending to be shocked.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #144 on:** June 07, 2021, 07:50:36 AM »

It's only 23 years since women were first allowed in the pavillion at Lotd's.

LEACHY48 · « **Reply #145 on:** June 07, 2021, 08:09:38 AM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on June 07, 2021, 07:20:35 AM

I mean, you're right.. ECB are doing it purely as a PR stunt.. However... By hammering him, you are sending the message out there that this sort of thing really is unacceptable. If you know you can do things and then maybe get a small fine, game or two off... but be back in earning the bucks then where is the deterrent ?

WEPL seem to be doing a PR stunt with regards to sledging/abuse.. Some lovely cards and words appearing from umpires at the start of the games so far this year... However, within about 6 balls of the game the sledging/abuse starts at/to or about the batsmen and nothing happens.. Amusing in a way and just proves that sadly, only punishments work. Saying things to people doesn't really work unless you are ACTIVELY enforcing.

Punishment doesn�t work mate. Look at the statistics, education and victim engagement are the only forms of punishment that show any success.

ppccopener · « **Reply #146 on:** June 07, 2021, 09:51:07 AM »

Quote from: LEACHY48 on June 07, 2021, 08:09:38 AM

Punishment doesn�t work mate. Look at the statistics, education and victim engagement are the only forms of punishment that show any success.

An educational course and education and tolerance is indeed the only way forward.

He made a mistake, it was 10 years ago and he�s publically apologised.

It�s turned into a witch hunt and moral grandstanding

InternalTraining · « **Reply #147 on:** June 08, 2021, 04:51:54 PM »

I saw Michael Holding's interview on this and it made sense.

I also think that young people by design are stupid and do some really stooooopid things. This discussion about handling past stupid behavior needs to happen and some concrete protocols need to be established. How do you address someone's actions when they were young and foolish? What about someone who continues to demonstrate bad behavior in their mature/grownup/adult years? How to leverage a public figure's star/celebrity status to help a cause instead of just depriving them of earnings and reputation? We are now 4-5 years into this cycle of public shaming and punishment; it is all just reactive posturing without any forethought. I'd rather see ICC/MCC proposing concrete protocols with clear guidelines for using start/celebrity to educate young and masses than punish one or two incidents here and there.

jamesisapayne · « **Reply #148 on:** June 08, 2021, 05:26:22 PM »

Quote from: InternalTraining on June 08, 2021, 04:51:54 PM

I saw Michael Holding's interview on this and it made sense.

I also think that young people by design are stupid and do some really stooooopid things. This discussion about handling past stupid behavior needs to happen and some concrete protocols need to be established. How do you address someone's actions when they were young and foolish? What about someone who continues to demonstrate bad behavior in their mature/grownup/adult years? How to leverage a public figure's star/celebrity status to help a cause instead of just depriving them of earnings and reputation? We are now 4-5 years into this cycle of public shaming and punishment; it is all just reactive posturing without any forethought. I'd rather see ICC/MCC proposing concrete protocols with clear guidelines for using start/celebrity to educate young and masses than punish one or two incidents here and there.

This approach is far too sensible and well thought through, it'll never work!

ppccopener · « **Reply #149 on:** June 08, 2021, 06:38:38 PM »

Totally agree, it has to be a wide ranging process, simply punishing someone for a mistake made years ago will do no good.

A second player is now under investigation and you wonder if this is now a free for all.

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