Topic: England v India series (Read 84038 times)

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #405 on:** August 18, 2021, 10:43:09 AM »

Quote from: Manormanic on August 17, 2021, 09:27:14 PM

We all get that you hate the guy with a passion but really?

Aside from the fact that all of the media experts have him in our best top six... He's not undroppable but if you were dropping him you'd be making, what, eight or nine changes. Even in the 80s that'd have had you certified.

hate is a strong word. I don't have 'him', I hate that he's managing to forge a test career when he's not been good enough for years and years. Added to that, just look at the comments here.. people are saying x should be dropped, can't go back to Vince etc etc.. Why are we dropping Sibley and co and yet, keep trying and failing with Bairtsow.

I get you love him as he's a yorkie but still.. He's PROVEN time and time and time again he's not up to it. His dismissal this test was the same dismissal again.. You might as well throw in a rookie , at least we'd learn something rather than rehashing the same mistakes time and time again.

I wouldn't mind Bairstow if people were honest about him but jus took at this thread.. suddenly he's awesome again etc.. no one is saying 'sure, he actually did ok but he's still not good enough'.. Hell, people have been talking about him going to 3!!!

golders · « **Reply #406 on:** August 18, 2021, 11:03:25 AM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on August 18, 2021, 10:43:09 AM

hate is a strong word. I don't have 'him', I hate that he's managing to forge a test career when he's not been good enough for years and years. Added to that, just look at the comments here.. people are saying x should be dropped, can't go back to Vince etc etc.. Why are we dropping Sibley and co and yet, keep trying and failing with Bairtsow.

I get you love him as he's a yorkie but still.. He's PROVEN time and time and time again he's not up to it. His dismissal this test was the same dismissal again.. You might as well throw in a rookie , at least we'd learn something rather than rehashing the same mistakes time and time again.

I wouldn't mind Bairstow if people were honest about him but jus took at this thread.. suddenly he's awesome again etc.. no one is saying 'sure, he actually did ok but he's still not good enough'.. Hell, people have been talking about him going to 3!!!

So you wouldn't have Bairstow in your side then?haha

Could you name yours for the next test?

Jimbo · « **Reply #407 on:** August 18, 2021, 11:09:42 AM »

I've got more sympathy for the view that we'd be better giving someone younger/untested a run over Bairstow rather than the view that Bairstow adds nothing. He's got more experience and you won't ruin him by throwing him into this series, but I would much rather see Pope/Lawrence backed at 5.

WABH-J · « **Reply #408 on:** August 18, 2021, 12:55:47 PM »

The squad was supposed to be announced last night wasn�t it? Something�s a foot�

ppccopener · « **Reply #409 on:** August 18, 2021, 01:00:30 PM »

Quote from: WABH-J on August 18, 2021, 12:55:47 PM

The squad was supposed to be announced last night wasn�t it? Something�s a foot�

It�s due today but you might be right. I don�t suppose it�s likely they are in touch with Ben Stokes.He is desperately missed but has to return on his terms

Buzz · « **Reply #410 on:** August 18, 2021, 01:07:20 PM »

Stokes won't be back any time soon from what I understand
The media are touting a return for Vince or Malan.
Who knows.

ppccopener · « **Reply #411 on:** August 18, 2021, 01:17:40 PM »

I think Sibley will miss out, Burns prob still in.
So England might want some experience in that 3 position, and to take some pressure off Root at 4.

Root from his interviews wants to keep with Pope,Crawley,Lawrence but it�s what the team needs for this series.
It�s going to be Malan or Vince I think.

WABH-J · « **Reply #412 on:** August 18, 2021, 01:29:31 PM »

Why not add them all to the squad, try them out and see who looks best? There really shouldn�t be a need to guess who�s in the beat nick, get them all in for a middle practice

WABH-J · « **Reply #413 on:** August 18, 2021, 01:32:10 PM »

Article in The Times today that had Ali Cook quoted as saying �I could be tempted to return in an emergency�. 2 tests away from the Ashes and nobody reliable from 1-3�I�d say that qualifies as an emergency!

ppccopener · « **Reply #414 on:** August 18, 2021, 01:34:04 PM »

Sounds like an audition for Love Island

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #415 on:** August 18, 2021, 01:54:31 PM »

Quote from: golders on August 18, 2021, 11:03:25 AM

So you wouldn't have Bairstow in your side then?haha

Could you name yours for the next test?

Squad

Top 3 (tbh, I don't care which of the actual 3 you pick. I'll just back the younger ones as they may actually improve - assuming they want to and are training to!!)

Sibley
Hameed
Crawley
Burns - As spare

4- Root
5 - Malan
6 - Pope (If not Pope, then I'd put Crawley in and play Burns at 3)
7 - buttler (HOWEVER, this is only until Foakes is back.. as soon as he is.. Foakes is in)
8 - Whoever is your best Bowler who happens to be the best batter out of them
9 - as above, only second best batter
10 - Leach
11 - as above, only the worst batter (probably Anderson)

8/9/11. for me are a toss up between Broad, Anderson, Archer, Wood, Woakes depending on who is fit... If I had to pick.. I'd take Woakes at 8, Wood 9, Leach 10, Anderson 11 as it's a relative mix of bowling. Archer is broken and broad can swap in and out as required.

That's what I'd do anyway and just give the young guys time AS LONG AS THEY ARE ACTUALLY LOOKING TO IMPROVE RED BALL and not just going 'it's the way I play'.. a la Balance/Bairstow etc

rickjames · « **Reply #416 on:** August 18, 2021, 03:04:23 PM »

Malan and Mahmood in, Sibley and Crawley out. Leach also out of the squad

https://www.ecb.co.uk/news/2223281

ppccopener · « **Reply #417 on:** August 18, 2021, 03:18:58 PM »

Malan will bat 3 you would think. Neither Pope nor Lawrence are number 3's.

Mixed about Sibley, I know most on here wouldn't have him in. If he at least got to 30 or 40 it might of been enough.

Nevertheless Hameed is similar so probably two styles won't work. You need to give something back to the opposition.

Malan/Vince must of been a tight call

SouthpawMark · « **Reply #418 on:** August 18, 2021, 03:44:25 PM »

Surprised they didn�t give a chance to someone who hasn�t tried and failed numerous times before. I�d have been tempted to give Kent�s Jordan Cox a go, but then again, I�m obviously much braver than Silverwood.

Buzz · « **Reply #419 on:** August 18, 2021, 04:24:36 PM »

They have picked Malan because he has a good international record and was good on the last Ashes tour.
Makes sense.
Also keeps the left hand right hand dynamic down the order.

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