Topic: England v India series (Read 84050 times)

adb club cricketer · « **Reply #390 on:** August 17, 2021, 02:15:42 PM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on August 17, 2021, 09:42:17 AM

ABdV lets face it like Ponting/Williamson/Kallis/Sangakkara et all are just levels above players like Pujara and co. Sure look to them for inspiration and how to do things but lets not expect them to be able to do it.. or at least not consistently

Agree, but it tells us there is a different way to deal with some of those balls marked as "unplayable" - just need to look at how these guys do it. The "that ball could have got anyone out" logic assumes any batsman would be in same position to the ball as the one who got out but thing is better batsmen wouldn't be in the same position for that ball in the first place, so might not be as unplayable as it is made out to be.

ppccopener · « **Reply #391 on:** August 17, 2021, 04:43:16 PM »

The list of players who are not good enough is considerable.
Silverwood has given his press briefing, not a word of support for Root who is carrying our team. Yes mistakes were made, yes it probably cost us the match.

Is anyone else actually angry with the hierarchy of the ECB? I rarely get that bothered these days but am now. It�s not the loss-well played India-it�s the fact no management have any balls. We are asking players with no 4 day cricket in a big series to perform when it�s odds against.

Root is not a natural or instinctive Captain, we know that

But does the buck stop with him?

I�m seriously pissed off

WABH-J · « **Reply #392 on:** August 17, 2021, 06:21:17 PM »

If I'm honest I completely agree. I can't shake the feeling that the reason we have digressed into the 90s is that the guys sailing the ship ie Silverwood and Giles are bang average players from that era. Both nice guys whose heart is in the right place, but they are different to Andy Flower and Duncan Fletcher who have both managed the team through our best periods.

If you look at the more successful coaches (I think of Andy Flower,Eddie Jones or Warren Gatland for example) they take the heat off the captain and the team and take ownership of their decisions - I just don't see that happening at the moment. Joe Root has to own absolutely everything, which can't be right. Also as a coach the team's performance is a reflection of the work you have done with the team, at the moment I feel like the plan is 'either the players come good themselves or they aren't good enough' - is that honestly the best strategy we have? Obviously I'm ignorant of what's going on and maybe don't see all the hard work behind the scenes, and hey maybe the players just aren't good enough - but whatever the 'strategy' is at the moment, it's not working.

ppccopener · « **Reply #393 on:** August 17, 2021, 06:28:27 PM »

Totally agree with you. I�m losing confidence in Silverwood quickly.
Giles said 12 months ago �the focus moves to red ball�. It hasn�t.

I�m delighted we won the WC, but if you look at the rotation against India in India, the test players were rested.
Not a single one was rotated for the one day games.Root got the rough end of those decisions and that�s when the rot started.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #394 on:** August 17, 2021, 06:45:26 PM »

Quote from: jonny77 on August 17, 2021, 12:40:12 PM

Wish you'd stop sitting on the fence and tell us if you rate Bairstow or not! 😆

For me Burns and Sibley have never convinced they'll be up to it. So not sure where we go from here with out top 6 tbh, but obviously Stokes slots straight back in at 6 when fit. I'd personally give Bairstow a run at 5, as he's never realy had a settled role in the test side and there's nobody else beating down the door who convinces me they'd do more. Hameed maybe to open with Burns (struggling to find an alternative) and Malan at 3, Root 4, Bairstow 5, Butler 6.

Still not convinced by most of this top order tbf, but it's the best i can come up with for now. In fairness to India, they do have a very good bowling attack which works well in our conditions. If we'd have bowled better yesterday morning and run through their tail, then we could have been having a much different discussion now.

No.. Those who blindly follow what the ECB and media spout and will swing between 'england are world class' 'Bairstow is in our best 6' or' look, buttler blasted 100, how great is he.. move him to 3'... that brigade are part of the problem because they literally won't admit players aren't upto it and so just go 'hey, he's awesome'.. just look at some people over bairstow this test.. He is 70 odd tests in and has failed failed failed.. yet, two knocks of not many runs and suddenly he's undroppable again.. jesus christ.

England had a random stroke of luck with roots 180.. lets not get carried away yet again and think england weren't anything but lucky just to be in this game .

Why are people so blind to the failings. Not saying don't wish them well but don't blindly claim they are any good

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #395 on:** August 17, 2021, 07:00:22 PM »

Quote from: six and out on August 17, 2021, 01:09:59 PM

In terms of people knocking on the door, when you look at this years CC it is Libby at Worcester with 798 runs @68, then Karlson at Glamorgan with 790 @65, Haines at Sussex with 767 @45, after that noone has scored 700 runs in 10 matches.

And any of those 3 would be very left field picks, apart from maybe Libby who has a few good seasons behind him.

This year's CC mostly happened three months ago. Would those players still be in form even if they were good enough? (They're not.)

ppccopener · « **Reply #396 on:** August 17, 2021, 07:51:05 PM »

The squad is announced tommorow with a recall for Vince tipped to slot in at 3.

The guy has the talent and the shots but has been tried before. I guess in comparison to the others who have been tried it makes sense.
I think as well England will revert to a more senior player coming in so that could fit

Jimbo · « **Reply #397 on:** August 17, 2021, 09:24:13 PM »

Vince, averaging 40 with a single hundred in 12 FC innings this season. Christ...

Manormanic · « **Reply #398 on:** August 17, 2021, 09:27:14 PM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on August 17, 2021, 06:45:26 PM

just look at some people over bairstow this test.. He is 70 odd tests in and has failed failed failed.. yet, two knocks of not many runs and suddenly he's undroppable again.. jesus christ.

We all get that you hate the guy with a passion but really?

Aside from the fact that all of the media experts have him in our best top six... He's not undroppable but if you were dropping him you'd be making, what, eight or nine changes. Even in the 80s that'd have had you certified.

Manormanic · « **Reply #399 on:** August 17, 2021, 09:28:08 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on August 17, 2021, 09:24:13 PM

Vince, averaging 40 with a single hundred in 12 FC innings this season. Christ...

More pertinently, Vince choosing to bat himself five rather than going in first drop.

Komdotkom · « **Reply #400 on:** August 17, 2021, 09:57:34 PM »

Quote from: Jeff Navarro on August 17, 2021, 02:13:47 PM

Sam Curran has played 50 fc matches + 20 odd tests. That�s not a small sample size. In those 70 odd matches he�s got ZERO centuries. Yet he�s hyped up as Ben Stoke 2.0.
Curran is bang average simple as.

I couldn't agree more. I'm only watching the highlights as I'm in Australia but he looks very average to me. Not at all threatening with the ball and lacks game awareness with the bat.
Don't get me started on Hameed, he must have done something right in County cricket but he's hopeless in the field and all at sea with the bat.
I'm looking forward to the Ashes.

six and out · « **Reply #401 on:** August 18, 2021, 06:00:39 AM »

The batting is the obvious major issue but with Wood a doubt and Archer and Stone already out of the Ashes surely you don't risk him, that makes are attack very samey.

Broad's out of the series, Anderson's just played 2 on the bounce...... Who's getting the call up to bowl?

ppccopener · « **Reply #402 on:** August 18, 2021, 06:53:53 AM »

Quote from: six and out on August 18, 2021, 06:00:39 AM

The batting is the obvious major issue but with Wood a doubt and Archer and Stone already out of the Ashes surely you don't risk him, that makes are attack very samey.

Broad's out of the series, Anderson's just played 2 on the bounce...... Who's getting the call up to bowl?

You're right, the problem are mounting. Robinson and Overton look similar. I think Curran will have to stay in the side. There's no way Wood will be risked. Mahmood in for Wood, with the gap between tests Anderson will prob play 3 on the bounce.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #403 on:** August 18, 2021, 07:45:25 AM »

I Googled 'Vince set for recall' and got stories from 2018 and 2019. It's slmost like nothing's changed?

golders · « **Reply #404 on:** August 18, 2021, 08:31:09 AM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on August 18, 2021, 07:45:25 AM

I Googled 'Vince set for recall' and got stories from 2018 and 2019. It's slmost like nothing's changed?

Haha so did I! Well said.

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