Topic: England v India series (Read 84073 times)

AJ2014 · « **Reply #360 on:** August 16, 2021, 08:57:16 PM »

From the highlights, it was only Curran who was out on a perfect ball bowled! The rest of the batters played at wide balls and got out!

Jimbo · « **Reply #361 on:** August 16, 2021, 09:00:30 PM »

Quote from: AJ2014 on August 16, 2021, 08:57:16 PM

From the highlights, it was only Curran who was out on a perfect ball bowled! The rest of the batters played at wide balls and got out!

Did you actually watch the highlights? Hameed was LBW, Bairstow was LBW, Root nicked one he had to play at because it was tight to off stump, Robinson was LBW and Anderson was bowled.

potzy248 · « **Reply #362 on:** August 16, 2021, 09:03:24 PM »

Quote from: Jeff Navarro on August 02, 2021, 01:47:33 PM

India losing a few to injury before the series has started. Gill has a broken shin. Sundar broken thumb. Agarwal hit on his head by Siraj out with concussion.
Yeah 4-0 home win. No doubts at all.

This aged well @Jeff Navarro

brokenbat · « **Reply #363 on:** August 16, 2021, 09:49:17 PM »

Quote from: potzy248 on August 16, 2021, 09:03:24 PM

This aged well @Jeff Navarro

LOL

jamesisapayne · « **Reply #364 on:** August 16, 2021, 09:49:53 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on August 16, 2021, 09:00:30 PM

Did you actually watch the highlights? Hameed was LBW, Bairstow was LBW, Root nicked one he had to play at because it was tight to off stump, Robinson was LBW and Anderson was bowled.

Sibley on the end of a rip snorter too. He�s obviously going through a tough time but not much anyone could have done about that delivery.

SouthpawMark · « **Reply #365 on:** August 16, 2021, 10:30:55 PM »

Quote from: jamesisapayne on August 16, 2021, 09:49:53 PM

Sibley on the end of a rip snorter too. He�s obviously going through a tough time but not much anyone could have done about that delivery.

It was a good ball. However, he�s not going to get a stay of execution because he got out to a good ball. The fact is that he�s out of his depth, and he will never, ever, be good enough for test cricket. We�ve seen a big enough sample size now to know that he�s not the answer (and neither are Burns, Hameed, Bairstow, Buttler or Curran). In summary, English red ball cricket is in a shocking state.

jamesisapayne · « **Reply #366 on:** August 16, 2021, 10:41:24 PM »

I�m not doubting his position in the team, it�s fairly obvious he�s not really a test opener.

I�m just saying it was a great ball on a tight line that pretty much everyone would get out to.

adb club cricketer · « **Reply #367 on:** August 16, 2021, 11:40:00 PM »

Sometimes the technique and the position the batsman gets into makes it feel as if it is unplayable though it might not necessarily be the case. For e.g., Pujara gets "unplayable" balls a lot more than others but I feel it is because he stands still and also crouches low, so looks like he gets unplayable balls as soon as there is some deviation near off stump or if the ball rises a bit more than expectecd. Imagine De Villiers playing similar delivery - he would get behind the line and either defend or leave it well based on line or even height by dropping the hands.

i12breakfree · « **Reply #368 on:** August 17, 2021, 02:44:40 AM »

What a game....could not watch it full live...watched the highlights now
Everyone contributed in the indian side....rahane was being mocked heavily and even he played a big role
Other than Rohit sharma getting out of a short ball which he would hit any day , most wickets came of length ball or the lbw of tail from fuller balls
So not sure who came up with the short ball strategy

Joe root got the century but he does not have much support, butler , bairstow everyone is struggling
Test match batting is all about spending time in the middle and even shami got a 50 by staying there
Someone should make a video of kohli's expressions after every england wicket fall, but this indian team's can win attitude is what made them win against Aus and now this game on day 5
hopefully someone will support joe root in the batting department in the upcoming matches
love test cricket

six and out · « **Reply #369 on:** August 17, 2021, 06:44:45 AM »

What I just keep on thinking after this test is ..... Where the hell is Silverwood??!!! And also What is he doing to this side now he has full control of it??

He has just let Root come out to do the PC and take all the flack, his captain who has the whole team on his shoulders, he hardly needed more stress after he quite obviously had a shocker in the field.

Silverwood hasn't won a test match since he took over full responsibility of everything and his overall test record as coach reads, P22, W9, L8, D5, pretty poor really!

Also the bowlers must take some responsibility for what happened, they have brains of their own, they are experienced, and can't just be Root says this so I must do it!

JTtaylor145 · « **Reply #370 on:** August 17, 2021, 06:49:21 AM »

I've been thinking about the first class structure since watching the game yesterday and wondering what the ECB could do to grow better test match cricketers. I think we can all agree that there are quite a few players playing for England in the test matches that aren't good enough even after an extended run in the side.

As a cricket badger it pains me to say it but I think that there is probably too much cricket being played at the professional level. I don't think it is sustainable to have:

1. County Championship
2. Royal London Cup
3. The Hundred
4. Vitality Blast.
5. International 20 over matches (endless amounts)
6. International 50 over matches
7. Test matches

First class cricket is shoved in at the start of the season when there are no test matches for two months and then right at the end of the season when there is maybe one test left. How could you replace someone in the test matches with someone who has been playing in the Hundred? The only thing I could think of was perhaps we have a series of first class matches that take place during the test matches that is along the lines of North Vs South Vs East Vs West or however you want to divide it. You could have England over 25's vs England under 25's. I don't particularly care as long as some meaningful first class cricket takes place at some point during the main part of the summer. I appreciate that you would have to take players out of the Hundred to do so but something has to give at some point.

I don't have anything against limited overs cricket and I think that the Hundred has been good for getting people thinking, talking and playing cricket. Anything that promotes the game is great but it is clear that in England (at least) test match cricket is still very important. Do we really care if we win an international one day series or T20 series? We remember the test matches the most. If you asked anyone would we rather win the Ashes or lose the Ashes and win the limited overs series?

I understand that it is a delicate balancing act and finances play a big part in the volume of one day cricket that is played and seen but it's quantity and not quality. I can't help but feel that the structure needs a total overhaul with the focus on less cricket volume.

Is it better to have 100 top professionals playing professional cricket or 750 average professionals playing professional cricket?

Truth is apart from one golden period we have been a very inconsistent test match side for a long time.

I don't have any answers but I do hope that at some level within the ECB a conversation is taking place about the balance of cricket in the professional game and someone is asking the question 'have we got the balance right'?

SouthpawMark · « **Reply #371 on:** August 17, 2021, 07:11:37 AM »

There�s no reason why you couldn�t have CC matches during the Blast or The Hundred. You can get a decent gauge of a bowler regardless of the form of cricket, and we�ve seen (with a few exceptions in England) that batters who thrive in the short game don�t last for long in test cricket as their attacking instincts become so ingrained.

The ECBs obsession with white ball was fine while we were rubbish at it. However, we have now won the ultimate prize, and it is time to focus on the red ball game again. They should also realise their mistake and get shot of Silverwood too.

Jeff Navarro · « **Reply #372 on:** August 17, 2021, 08:34:24 AM »

Does everyone really expect Chris Woakes to come straight back without any match practice? As far as I�m aware Woakes has a broken heel. Steyn did something similar was out for nearly a year.

Jeff Navarro · « **Reply #373 on:** August 17, 2021, 08:35:09 AM »

Quote from: potzy248 on August 16, 2021, 09:03:24 PM

This aged well @Jeff Navarro

0-4 still on the cards

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #374 on:** August 17, 2021, 09:39:18 AM »

Quote from: SouthpawMark on August 16, 2021, 10:30:55 PM

It was a good ball. However, he�s not going to get a stay of execution because he got out to a good ball. The fact is that he�s out of his depth, and he will never, ever, be good enough for test cricket. We�ve seen a big enough sample size now to know that he�s not the answer (and neither are Burns, Hameed, Bairstow, Buttler or Curran). In summary, English red ball cricket is in a shocking state.

So everyone is quick to discard Sibley but again.. Bairstow?? The lad has failed time and Time again.. Yesterday he took off stump guard to try and limit his weakness and STILL got out in the same way (only LBW rather than bowled as the ball couldn't physically hit the stumps due to his pads!)... Why is he getting 'a stay of execution' again and again but Sibley.... nope.. you gon .

Come on. If you're going to be harsh on Sibley (who isn't good enough btw) then please be just as harsh on Burns, Sibley, Crawley, Pope, Bairstow, Buttler, Moeen, Curran who are all simply not good enough for test cricket and have never been. I mean, what more utter failure does Curran have to do to get get dropped from being the golden child 'oh he is so aggressive though' 'he's variation'... the kids just not a red ball player. suck it up and leave him to be a bits and pieces white ball player.. no shame in it, just not his thing red ball cricket.

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