Topic: England v India series (Read 84200 times)

Buzz · « **Reply #780 on:** September 08, 2021, 08:20:13 PM »

The bat time approach was rather successful for Andrew Strauss' team with Trott at 3...

Jimbo · « **Reply #781 on:** September 08, 2021, 08:33:12 PM »

Quote from: Buzz on September 08, 2021, 08:20:13 PM

The bat time approach was rather successful for Andrew Strauss' team with Trott at 3...

Case to be made for essentially playing 3 openers?

ppccopener · « **Reply #782 on:** September 08, 2021, 08:46:24 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on September 08, 2021, 08:33:12 PM

Case to be made for essentially playing 3 openers?

I think Malan is a good fit for 3. He knows how to build an innings. He could also do well in the winter. Like everyone else he needs runs. Denly before him did get runs and protected the middle order a bit�in the end a younger player got chosen which is fair enough.

To illustrate just how hard a job it is to find test match batsman Root is quoted in the Guardian today saying: we are told test cricket is the priority. He hopes it will be given a priority in the 2022 schedule-which was announced today.

I�m reading between the lines that is one frustrated and unhappy Captain, despite the smiles.

potzy248 · « **Reply #783 on:** September 08, 2021, 09:51:53 PM »

Quote from: Buzz on September 08, 2021, 08:20:13 PM

The bat time approach was rather successful for Andrew Strauss' team with Trott at 3...

Bat time and look to score runs. Sounds like a good strategy to me.

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #784 on:** September 09, 2021, 07:41:06 AM »

Quote from: potzy248 on September 08, 2021, 09:51:53 PM

Bat time and look to score runs. Sounds like a good strategy to me.

who doesn't look to score runs? Sibley looks to score runs only he looks in set 'safe' areas.... Cook was the same was he not?? He was only better at it.

Problem again comes back to... THE PLAYERS AREN'T ACTUALLY GOOD ENOUGH TO STAY IN AND SCORE RUNS.. We have a crop of players since 2014 that quite simply (root excepted) who are either stroke makers OR billy blockers.. We simply don't have the players because the system (not just in England!) isn't good enough or set up anymore to produce these types of players.

The system is set up to produce Roy's, Hales's, Bairstow's, Buttler's, Curran's etc.. it's not set up now to produce a cook, Strauss, Trott, Atherton. Even the likes of Langer, Heyden, Smith,and Sangakkara aren't being seen.. (going to exclude the greats like Ponting/Kallis etc)

mo_town · « **Reply #785 on:** September 09, 2021, 08:19:38 AM »

Quote from: potzy248 on September 08, 2021, 09:51:53 PM

Bat time and look to score runs. Sounds like a good strategy to me.

I think this strategy really doesnt work in England sometimes when the ball is swinging and doing things as soon or later you will get one that moves late and gets you. Pujara for me has been a revelation in this series in that aspect how he has changed his game.

Also, all this chopping and changing and knee jerk reactions doesnt really help anyone. England needs to be patient with the youngsters and accept the fact that this team is in the process of rebuilding. Give the youngsters a good run before deciding to pull the plug. Its not like there are a lot of other better choice around.

Jimbo · « **Reply #786 on:** September 09, 2021, 08:20:08 AM »

I think I'd argue that Stokes is another exception to your 'hitter or blocker' rule, he's shown enough at this point that we can say he's very much capable of adapting to the match situation.

I think you have the basis of a good point though about developing test players, not trying to convert your Hales/Roy/Buttler into a Test batter. Players like Hameed, Pope, Lawrence etc should be the ones England are looking at. Leave the likes of Banton to develop into the next Hales, try and turn the ones who have shown they can compile massive red ball innings into proper test match players.

potzy248 · « **Reply #787 on:** September 09, 2021, 09:52:32 AM »

Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on September 09, 2021, 07:41:06 AM

who doesn't look to score runs? Sibley looks to score runs only he looks in set 'safe' areas.... Cook was the same was he not?? He was only better at it.

You're right all players look to score runs. However, I think Sibley's first thought was not runs but survival. Anyway.

I think you hit the nail on the head in your third paragraph. White ball has been the focus and now this is what we have. Money for white ball players and youngsters focus on this skill over disciplined batting. Only the worlds best can transition between the formats (Root, Kohli, Smith, Warner, Williamson, Rohit, Babar) thats 7 batsman in the world. You know pretty early if you're that good and if not you should probably focus on the format that pays the most. Its also unfashionable to play in a Sibley/Pujara type way (I'm very aware that I am part of that problem). We want runs and we want them in a certain type of way at a certain strike rate. That's where we are at though in test cricket in my opinion anyway.

rickjames · « **Reply #788 on:** September 09, 2021, 11:23:54 AM »

Another Covid case in the Indian camp, players isolating while further tests go on. Ah

ProCricketer1982 · « **Reply #789 on:** September 09, 2021, 11:39:52 AM »

Quote from: Jimbo on September 09, 2021, 08:20:08 AM

Leave the likes of Banton to develop into the next Hales, try and turn the ones who have shown they can compile massive red ball innings into proper test match players.

and finally.. someone has said it.

LEAVE these players to be white ball players and leave others to be red ball. Don't try and mix and match, leave that to the preserve of only the best players. nOthing wrong with leaving Currans and co to 2020 or at a push one days and never even playing them for a county red ball side, let alone a test side.

Jimbo · « **Reply #790 on:** September 09, 2021, 11:52:22 AM »

Case in point, Root doesn't get into the T20 side. That should be all the proof selectors need about how hard it is to excel across formats now with the degree of specialisation required.

Kulli · « **Reply #791 on:** September 09, 2021, 12:28:07 PM »

I was of this school, but Rohit has gone way better than any of our red ball only openers this summer. Nevermind in the winter.

mo_town · « **Reply #792 on:** September 09, 2021, 04:51:44 PM »

ECB asked BCCI to forfeit the test as there has been one more case, BCCI says it will play if players test negative.

Looks like ECB is scared to lose another test match, LoL!

Jeff Navarro · « **Reply #793 on:** September 09, 2021, 05:04:52 PM »

Cricinfo reporting India�s playing squad have all tested negative. So I doubt there will be anymore forfeiting

ppccopener · « **Reply #794 on:** September 09, 2021, 05:20:49 PM »

The test won�t be cancelled, players will of been protected as much as possible to lower the risk.

It�s just who gets dropped, Bairstow or Pope.
Seems obvious Pope is the junior player, it�s a hard call either way.
I actually think they might go with Pope, just a gut feeling

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