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Re: who makes joe root bats currently?
« Reply #15 on: September 25, 2021, 10:20:45 AM »


Regarding the size - in a cricket market where I am swamped with requests for "Pro size/shape" bats, these bats them selves were no more than average sized retail bats, my point being that the no.1 batter in the world was more than happy with a product that wasn't what the public expect it to be.



Bat pick-up is a personal thing. You can't say someone else's bat is too heavy, can you? Especially not when they're the number 1 ranked batsman in the world?

And correct....size doesn't matter...performance is key. And sadly I've seen too many amazing performing bats sent back, normally by members of the public, when they don't fill the maximum guage allowances

Sounds like someone doesn't rate Keeley!

Average size? You yourself have told me size doesn't matter (in relation to cricket bats), BG.
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Re: who makes joe root bats currently?
« Reply #16 on: September 25, 2021, 12:12:20 PM »

Regarding the size - in a cricket market where I am swamped with requests for "Pro size/shape" bats, these bats them selves were no more than average sized retail bats, my point being that the no.1 batter in the world was more than happy with a product that wasn't what the public expect it to be.

Next you will be telling us that it is the fact that Joe Root is quite good that he can hit all those runs and nothing to do with him having a massive ultra low density urber pingy with loads of grains pro bat...
I just won't believe you.
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Re: who makes joe root bats currently?
« Reply #17 on: September 25, 2021, 12:20:48 PM »

Next you will be telling us that it is the fact that Joe Root is quite good that he can hit all those runs and nothing to do with him having a massive ultra low density urber pingy with loads of grains pro bat...
I just won't believe you.

This is fake news. Clearly I am just one ridiculous bat away from national representation and I take offence at anyone who suggests otherwise.
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Re: who makes joe root bats currently?
« Reply #18 on: September 25, 2021, 12:24:40 PM »

Totally agree pick up is personal....what I can say is that the bats he brought to me on that occasion were nearly 2.13 in weight and he asked for them to be under 2.9

Slightly different note, @thebigginge did Root know that the bats were heavier than he'd asked for?

I've heard a few makers suggest that some of the pros will say they want a 2'9, come into the workshop to pick up a bat, take hold of a 2'11 or something and decide they love the feel and take that away despite the weight difference.

Interesting if it's the case and since hearing that I've tried to be a bit less picky about weights myself.
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Re: who makes joe root bats currently?
« Reply #19 on: September 25, 2021, 08:06:35 PM »

Regarding the size - in a cricket market where I am swamped with requests for "Pro size/shape" bats, these bats them selves were no more than average sized retail bats, my point being that the no.1 batter in the world was more than happy with a product that wasn't what the public expect it to be.

I am in total agreement with you. Hope that wasn't misunderstood. We have spoken briefly about this very subject at a couple of Test matches. But you probably speak to a lot of people briefly at Test matches, so I doubt you remember me.
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Re: who makes joe root bats currently?
« Reply #20 on: September 25, 2021, 08:08:04 PM »

Slightly different note, @thebigginge did Root know that the bats were heavier than he'd asked for?

I've heard a few makers suggest that some of the pros will say they want a 2'9, come into the workshop to pick up a bat, take hold of a 2'11 or something and decide they love the feel and take that away despite the weight difference.

Interesting if it's the case and since hearing that I've tried to be a bit less picky about weights myself.

Lots of pros will tell you it's all about the feel and not the dead weight.
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Re: who makes joe root bats currently?
« Reply #21 on: September 25, 2021, 08:40:27 PM »

Lots of pros will tell you it's all about the feel and not the dead weight.
remember hearing on the radio Geoff Boycott talking about bat weights and pick ups all being dependant on what your backlift is
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Re: who makes joe root bats currently?
« Reply #22 on: September 25, 2021, 09:01:40 PM »

Lots of pros will tell you it's all about the feel and not the dead weight.

Paul Aldred would love this comment 🤣
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Re: who makes joe root bats currently?
« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2021, 06:05:28 AM »

Paul Aldred would love this comment 🤣

But it's true. See also the Graham Gooch quote about buying a bat over the internet being ridiculous I posted on another thread.
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Re: who makes joe root bats currently?
« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2021, 07:38:05 AM »

Lots of pros will tell you it's all about the feel and not the dead weight.
But they pickup the bats in the range of their weight preferences.
Exception are when they want to have one or two lighter or heavier bats.
I can't imagine one, going to a cricket
store and picking out 5 oz lighter or heavier bats and buying just for it's pickup, unless one is looking specifically for much lighter or heavier bat.
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Re: who makes joe root bats currently?
« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2021, 08:18:43 AM »

Paul Aldred would love this comment 🤣

He would also love someone getting a bat that was 2.13 when they asked for something under 2.9!
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Re: who makes joe root bats currently?
« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2021, 09:24:47 AM »

But it's true. See also the Graham Gooch quote about buying a bat over the internet being ridiculous I posted on another thread.

Not really ridiculous if you're working with a batmaker who will give you want you want. Or being open to a bat if it's 0.5oz or an oz or 2 heavier, but which is balanced well enough so feels good in the hands. In my experience most batters severely overthink it and will reject a bat unless its at their exact scale weight, regardless of how it feels. Most cases it wouldn't alter how the play, or make them more or less successful at all, but its a mental thing which they can't get over.
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Re: who makes joe root bats currently?
« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2021, 09:29:59 AM »

Not really ridiculous if you're working with a batmaker who will give you want you want. Or being open to a bat if it's 0.5oz or an oz or 2 heavier, but which is balanced well enough so feels good in the hands. In my experience most batters severely overthink it and will reject a bat unless its at their exact scale weight, regardless of how it feels. Most cases it wouldn't alter how the play, or make them more or less successful at all, but its a mental thing which they can't get over.

100% correct - i just wish i could get my head to believe this  :D :D :D
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Re: who makes joe root bats currently?
« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2021, 11:54:06 AM »

Pick up and dead/scale weight is subject to so many things. All the little extras such as toe guard, scuff sheet etc all add to the overall weight. Given the variety of grips available as well, It’s not always possible to compare like for like. I’d always suggest aiming for your approx weight of bat with 1 grip. Toe guard, scuffs etc are minimal and shouldn’t add too much weight to make it noticeable.

For me, you have an expected weight range that you work to.  This gives you an overall starting point and then you factor in feel/ pick up.

Both weight and pick up are important, it just depends on which is the dominate for you as an individual. I would only recommend working an oz or so either side of your desired weight as any more and it’s likely to throw out your timing or make it harder as your innings progresses

I’m not one to believe in the 2lb 13 but picks up 2lb 9 rubbish. Maybe it does pick up at that weight, but it’s scale weight is still 2lb 13 and unless you are comfortable batting long periods with that extra weight, you will notice it.
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Re: who makes joe root bats currently?
« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2021, 01:05:04 PM »

Agree John @Red Ink Cricket and wasn't suggesting to go from 2lbs 8oz to 2lbs 13oz for example. As i said, i think an Oz or so is nothing really when taking everything into account. My main point was some 2lbs 9oz bats will pick up like dogs, some 2lbs 10oz + bats will pick up beautifully and most people could use them but won't as they're not their exact weight requirement. Personally i don't subscribe to the theory that going slightly heavier or lighter will be the main issue if people aren't scoring runs, timing the ball or struggling with certain shots. I think the extra oz is then sitting somewhere between the ears! 😆 To bat for 50 overs with an extra oz in a bat wouldn't fatigue anyone really I wouldn't have thought. But obviously the more you add the more likely that becomes.

Everyone seems fixated with big bats at light weights. So narrowing,  xlite grips, super skinny handles, thin shoulders/splice area are more and more common to get to that, but imo this is detrimental to the bat overall in feel, performance and longevity.

But I think many players now would rather have a big bat with skinny handle etc which picks up like a dog as long as its 2lbs 8oz, over a smaller one or one at the same size but 2lbs 10oz with a thicker handle which picks up much better. They'd then probably have to add an extra grip to thicken the handle and make it 2lbs 10oz anyway! 😂

That said, I'd always give a customer the weight they request. I might on occasion inform them as I'm shaping it that i think its where it needs to be and confirm they're happy with an extra oz, but if not l'll take it to specified weight obviously.

At the end of the day they're using it and I want them to be 100% happy with what i provide, regardless of my viewpoint.
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