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NZ vs PAK security concern - Tour cancelled
« on: September 17, 2021, 10:41:34 AM »
News is circulating that NZ are withdrawing from the series due to security concerns:

https://wisden.com/series-stories/pakistan-v-new-zealand/pakistan-dispute-nz-security-concerns-after-tour-abandoned-minutes-before-first-odi

England are due out in Oct, so that could well be in the cancellation firing line now too.  Disappointing for Pakistani cricket followers I'm sure.
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Re: NZ vs PAK security concern - Tour cancelled
« Reply #1 on: September 17, 2021, 10:52:26 AM »
Believe Eng/NZ have the same security consultants in some manner, will be staggered if that tour goes ahead now. Domino effect isn't too surprising.
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Re: NZ vs PAK security concern - Tour cancelled
« Reply #2 on: September 17, 2021, 11:19:02 AM »
zero chance any england side will go to pakistan now, brutal financially for the PCB to lose the NZ and the ENG series
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Re: NZ vs PAK security concern - Tour cancelled
« Reply #3 on: September 17, 2021, 12:43:27 PM »
stupid to even plan to go there anyway tbh.
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Re: NZ vs PAK security concern - Tour cancelled
« Reply #4 on: September 17, 2021, 03:16:59 PM »
This has been a very bad couple of weeks for the future of the intentional game.  The system only works if countries are prepared to honour their commitments.

Particularly poor form from NZ given that Pakistan went to NZ a few months after the Christchurch terrorist incident
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Re: NZ vs PAK security concern - Tour cancelled
« Reply #5 on: September 17, 2021, 03:37:40 PM »
Quote from: SD on September 17, 2021, 03:16:59 PM
This has been a very bad couple of weeks for the future of the intentional game.  The system only works if countries are prepared to honour their commitments.

Particularly poor form from NZ given that Pakistan went to NZ a few months after the Christchurch terrorist incident

Let's put it this way... Totally different circumstances and potential within the two countries it's laughable. a 'security consultant' also doesn't have half the information the NZ govt would have access to so I know which I'd believe.. it isn't the security consultant put it that way (or the media or anyone inside Pakistan)


Put it this way...

You have to visit one of the following counties:

USA or Afghan.. Which are you choosing ??   Yep.. USA .. WHY... because it's safer (even though both have guns etc etc etc)
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Re: NZ vs PAK security concern - Tour cancelled
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2021, 03:58:21 PM »
Quote from: ProCricketer1982 on September 17, 2021, 03:37:40 PM
Let's put it this way... Totally different circumstances and potential within the two countries it's laughable. a 'security consultant' also doesn't have half the information the NZ govt would have access to so I know which I'd believe.. it isn't the security consultant put it that way (or the media or anyone inside Pakistan)


Put it this way...

You have to visit one of the following counties:

USA or Afghan.. Which are you choosing ??   Yep.. USA .. WHY... because it's safer (even though both have guns etc etc etc)

That is a difference without a distinction.

England of course fulfilled a test commitment to India in 2008 in the aftermath of of Mumbai attacks despite the very obvious concerns for their safety. 

Put it this way, would I go to Modi's India in a personal capacity at the moment? Not at all.  Would I go there is a professional capacity with state security ? Yes I would.
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Re: NZ vs PAK security concern - Tour cancelled
« Reply #7 on: September 17, 2021, 04:40:16 PM »
Quote from: SD on September 17, 2021, 03:58:21 PM
That is a difference without a distinction.

England of course fulfilled a test commitment to India in 2008 in the aftermath of of Mumbai attacks despite the very obvious concerns for their safety. 

Put it this way, would I go to Modi's India in a personal capacity at the moment? Not at all.  Would I go there is a professional capacity with state security ? Yes I would.

Are you seriously comparing India with Pakistan in terms of security?? With all dues respect to Pakistan, India does not have a history of terrorist related incidents. India has never had a bomb blast outside the players' hotel. India has not had a terrorist attack on the players bus and players being evacuated.
Its a shame what happened. This has set Pakistan back years now in terms of return of International cricket again. But its not completely unbelievable given what happened recently in Afghanistan. NZ must have had a serious concern to have abandoned the tour like this. I am an Indian fan but my heart goes out to all the Pakistan cricket lovers.
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Re: NZ vs PAK security concern - Tour cancelled
« Reply #8 on: September 17, 2021, 05:14:47 PM »
"The tour, comprising three ODIs and five T20Is, was supposed to start today, with the first ODI in Rawalpindi, but neither team left their hotel on the morning of the game, and spectators were not allowed to enter the stadium."

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/pak-vs-nz-2021-new-zealand-call-off-pakistan-tour-minutes-before-first-odi-citing-security-concerns-1278280

The team is already there - it is not as if they weren't in the country to begin with. This is very disappointing as this would've been a great series to watch.

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Re: NZ vs PAK security concern - Tour cancelled
« Reply #9 on: September 17, 2021, 05:34:27 PM »
Totally the right call from NZ and England hopefully follow suit and cancel the tour.

Pakistan needs cricket and world cricket needs Pakistan, no doubt about that.
I don’t know why they don’t revert back to being based in the UAE as they did before.
That would at least get them the fixtures and keep the team going. Not ideal for fans but security comes first.
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Re: NZ vs PAK security concern - Tour cancelled
« Reply #10 on: September 17, 2021, 07:20:32 PM »
Quote from: ppccopener on September 17, 2021, 05:34:27 PM
Totally the right call from NZ and England hopefully follow suit and cancel the tour.

Pakistan needs cricket and world cricket needs Pakistan, no doubt about that.
I don’t know why they don’t revert back to being based in the UAE as they did before.
That would at least get them the fixtures and keep the team going. Not ideal for fans but security comes first.
Supposedly BCCI has signed a long term deal to have UAE as their fall back option. Pakistan can’t afford to compete with BCCI.
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Re: NZ vs PAK security concern - Tour cancelled
« Reply #11 on: September 18, 2021, 01:18:19 AM »
Quote from: SD on September 17, 2021, 03:16:59 PM
This has been a very bad couple of weeks for the future of the intentional game.  The system only works if countries are prepared to honour their commitments.

Particularly poor form from NZ given that Pakistan went to NZ a few months after the Christchurch terrorist incident

This is the same utter crap being spread by Pakistani supporters all over Social media. Very disappointed that the likes of Darren Sammy are chiming in without any facts etc. Pakistan travelled to NZ after the Christchurch terror attack? We have had one horrific instance of terrorism, from a lone murderer in our history. Please don't even try and compare the two examples. Pakistan is the opposite and the mere fact that our team needed a small army to accompany them says it all really.

What would people have said if something happened and our Govt new about and did nothing? It's not worth it.

I feel sorry for Pakistan and its fans but let's not kid ourselves that Pakistan is safe in the slightest.
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Re: NZ vs PAK security concern - Tour cancelled
« Reply #12 on: September 18, 2021, 06:20:14 AM »
Quote from: SD on September 17, 2021, 03:16:59 PM
This has been a very bad couple of weeks for the future of the intentional game.  The system only works if countries are prepared to honour their commitments.

Particularly poor form from NZ given that Pakistan went to NZ a few months after the Christchurch terrorist incident
Christchurch and Taliban not same level. Can't mess with Taliban
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Re: NZ vs PAK security concern - Tour cancelled
« Reply #13 on: September 18, 2021, 07:05:24 AM »
Quote from: potzy248 on September 18, 2021, 01:18:19 AM
This is the same utter crap being spread by Pakistani supporters all over Social media. Very disappointed that the likes of Darren Sammy are chiming in without any facts etc. Pakistan travelled to NZ after the Christchurch terror attack? We have had one horrific instance of terrorism, from a lone murderer in our history. Please don't even try and compare the two examples. Pakistan is the opposite and the mere fact that our team needed a small army to accompany them says it all really.

What would people have said if something happened and our Govt new about and did nothing? It's not worth it.

I feel sorry for Pakistan and its fans but let's not kid ourselves that Pakistan is safe in the slightest.

True...very poor from of the celebrities. The worst of all was the Shahid Afridi tweet saying that NZ are leaving over a 'Hoax call'. Not sure what makes him so confident that it was a hoax call and not a real threat. Dont these celebrities understand that what they saw is read and believed by millions of their fans? Not surprising from Sammy really; given his close ties with Pakistan and PSL, I am surprised they havent given him an honorary citizenship already.

I even read comments that this was a planned move by the big 3 to take revenge against Pak!  :o
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Re: NZ vs PAK security concern - Tour cancelled
« Reply #14 on: September 18, 2021, 03:38:50 PM »
If my country’s intelligence force told me it’s not safe to go, then i wouldn’t go. End of story!
Especially to a country where the prime minister has praised the Taliban
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