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Moeen retires from test cricket.
« on: September 26, 2021, 09:36:16 PM »
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« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2021, 10:18:05 PM »
Hopefully means Leach finally gets a run as the test spinner, no doubt they'll find some way to engineer Bess a way back instead. Fair play to Mo, seems like a phenomenal guy and while he wasn't always the most consistent he had some real moments of magic in an England test shirt.
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« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2021, 10:51:34 PM »
Sad to hear.  Comes across as a genuine down to earth guy who came from a background that meant he really had to fight to make a career in the game.  I don't think England treated him at all well over the last couple of years
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« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2021, 06:01:58 AM »
Quote from: Jimbo on September 26, 2021, 10:18:05 PM
Hopefully means Leach finally gets a run as the test spinner, no doubt they'll find some way to engineer Bess a way back instead. Fair play to Mo, seems like a phenomenal guy and while he wasn't always the most consistent he had some real moments of magic in an England test shirt.

That ball to Kohli is right up there. Some classic dismissals.
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« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2021, 07:47:53 AM »
Quote from: thegowerwaft on September 27, 2021, 06:01:58 AM
That ball to Kohli is right up there. Some classic dismissals.

That was a beauty. Hattrick versus the Saffers is always the one that springs to mind for me.
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« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2021, 07:52:45 AM »
a shame to end it with things he still wanted to achieve - always happy to do what others didn't want to and always gave his best - would have loved him to have been slotted in at 5 for a long time - was as graceful as Gower when in full flight - always felt England wanted him to be a front line spinner when he wasn't and that his ability with the bat has been wasted

hopefully we will go for Leach in the future
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« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2021, 07:54:16 AM »
Yes on the cards thou that he would concentrate on white ball.
It was a mixed bag I think, never thought he was the best spinner we had but always played in that role.

If you read his article in the guardian there’s clearly some regret how he was handled and shunted up and down the positions.

Only Underwood and Swann have more wickets as a spinner and that you cannot argue really is anything less than very good.
Add in some vital runs from number 7 or 8 and he done a good job.

Also one of the most likeable England cricketers in recent times.
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« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2021, 08:05:46 AM »
Very capable batsman and bowler..under utilised by England IMO. At least this avoids any confusion for England in terms of picking the right spinner
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« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2021, 09:05:17 AM »
A bit sad he didn’t get up to 200 test wickets, but he had a good run in test cricket.
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« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2021, 09:08:42 AM »
Moeen's unwillingness to change his batting approach regardless of the situation always made him a liability in tests. He says that he could have batted like Stokes if given the chance, but I cannot remember one innings where he actually took the responsibility of buckle down and put the shots aways when the situation demanded it. As a bowler, he is a good spinner but I wouldnt really pick him as by lead spinner. He could have done well if he had been a part of the team when England had a really strong and reliable top order. White ball cricket is his area of expertise and it makes sense for him to focus on it.
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« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2021, 12:24:02 PM »
His batting approach was rather typical of the majority of players you find batting 6-8 when you look around most test sides. When he came into the side i always thought he would end up a top 5 bat. Really easy on the eye when he gets going, unfortunately prone to the odd lapse in concentration. As a bowler, i dont think you'd ever say he was world class (defining world class as top 2-3 in the world) with the red ball but capable of doing a job when asked and had some real moments of magic. When you look back at his career and compare to other english spinners he is still one of the best we have produced.   

As a side note, Leach has done nothing to justify a test selection this summer. On form he should be no where near the test side. Not like hes young either, at 30 years old you cant argue you are developing him and he will come good eventually.
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« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2021, 12:46:34 PM »
Quote from: mr_reagan on September 27, 2021, 12:24:02 PM
As a side note, Leach has done nothing to justify a test selection this summer. On form he should be no where near the test side. Not like hes young either, at 30 years old you cant argue you are developing him and he will come good eventually.
Poor Jack Leach. Takes his test wickets at a near identical average, strike rate and economy to Graeme Swann and took more than double the wickets of England's next best bowler in the last series he played and apparently still deserves to be dropped!
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« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2021, 02:15:41 PM »
Quote from: edge on September 27, 2021, 12:46:34 PM
Poor Jack Leach. Takes his test wickets at a near identical average, strike rate and economy to Graeme Swann and took more than double the wickets of England's next best bowler in the last series he played and apparently still deserves to be dropped!

The 18 wickets he took in 14 innings in the county championship this year at an average of 31 really set him apart. Brilliant form.   
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« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2021, 03:37:15 PM »
whilst 18 wickets at 31 is not brilliant - it is hardly rubbish either
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« Reply #14 on: September 27, 2021, 03:46:06 PM »
If England have identified him as their pick for the choice spinner, he at least deserves a chance to show what he can do. He isnt brilliant but he persists with his lines and keeps things tight.
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