Topic: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22 (Read 90721 times)

SD · « **Reply #1065 on:** January 15, 2022, 06:59:03 PM »

Quote from: FattusCattus on January 15, 2022, 09:32:47 AM

Pfffft - I can't summon much enthusiasm for this.

I'd quite like them to throw at least 5 newbies into the tests in the Windies to see who swims.

You could justafiably change at least 4 batters, the keeper, the spinner and rotate a couple of seamers.

I know people will argue against wholesale changes but the next lot need a change to shine and can;t be any worse!

Now is the time at the beginning of an Ashes cycle when wholesale changes have to be made. This group as a collective has failed. I would retain Root, Stokes and Bairstow in the top 7 but the game should now be up for Burns, Malan and Butler.

billyb · « **Reply #1066 on:** January 15, 2022, 07:09:27 PM »

After the tour, I wouldn't bring back Hameed until he has had a big county season, and Sibley until he has expanded his skillset a little. Yet I would still consider them for the future if they come good. Buttler goes.

I'm torn by Pope. He is clearly an exceptionally talented cricketer, but I'm not sure he is mentally quite there yet at the international level. I'd take him to the West Indies, but he wouldn't be in my starting 11 for the first game. He needs to show resilience in the middle, and I want him to learn those skills so that he becomes the next Root or Cook. It took Root a little while to figure it out too.

I think it is Lawrence's time to shine. Probably finally Foakes' moment too... I've no idea what they will do with Billings though. Burns I would give the West Indies at most as his very last chance.

I'd give Malan the West Indies, Crawley pencilled in for the entire year, and Bairstow gets the series too. Between Malan, Root, and Bairstow, I'm hoping that is a sufficiently senior spine around which the younger players can learn.

Jimbo · « **Reply #1067 on:** January 15, 2022, 07:21:47 PM »

Will Bairstow be fit for the Windies with his injured hand? Assuming that Stokes won't be included to give him time to get fit again.

ppccopener · « **Reply #1068 on:** January 15, 2022, 07:51:49 PM »

Pretty much with billyb�s side. No point having a mass clear out. Pope is 24 and gifted, at his age he is the outstanding batsmen but Lawrence may have more grit and that�s what Pope is lacking.
I think Sibley will come again myself and Burns has been working on his technique, that shows some courage when he�s got runs with it up till now.

Malan stays in with Root Stokes and Bairstow.

Opening I hope we stick with Burns and Crawley with Hameed and Sibley waiting.

Foakes to keep but England may give the gloves back to JB to get another bat into the team

Thor Odin�s Son · « **Reply #1069 on:** January 15, 2022, 08:48:41 PM »

Someone on Reddit did an interesting breakdown on Ollie Pope�s red ball career.
Pope averages 99.94 at the Oval with 8 centuries in mere 23 innings.
Pope averages a rather substandard 37.12 away from the Oval. That�s from 73 innings and only 4 centuries.
So the easy solution reached is Pope is a) a flat track bully b) the Oval masks Pope�s shortcomings as a batsman.
Whichever way you look at it, Pope needs to move to a different county to make actual improvements to his game.
Flogging runs mercilessly at the Oval isn�t really proving he�s suitable for Test cricket.

On a tangent, last year when the Indians toured Australia. Prithvi Shaw came with a big reputation, but Ricky Ponting called him out for his poor work ethic. Well long story short - Shaw hasn�t been seen in the Test arena since.
Pope looks like he�s in the same situation as Shaw.

Devondumpling00 · « **Reply #1070 on:** January 15, 2022, 09:13:21 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on January 15, 2022, 07:51:49 PM

Pretty much with billyb�s side. No point having a mass clear out. Pope is 24 and gifted, at his age he is the outstanding batsmen but Lawrence may have more grit and that�s what Pope is lacking.
I think Sibley will come again myself and Burns has been working on his technique, that shows some courage when he�s got runs with it up till now.

Malan stays in with Root Stokes and Bairstow.

Opening I hope we stick with Burns and Crawley with Hameed and Sibley waiting.

Foakes to keep but England may give the gloves back to JB to get another bat into the team

This isn�t meant to sound rude, but what you�re suggesting is that we basically stick with the exact same side that has had the most disappointing ashes in recent memory, no thanks. Go into every test trying to win, stop the needless rotation policy to gear up for the next ashes and pick the best players available. If it�s in the summer, pick them on form.

They may be good enough later down the line, but there is no defined solution to get them there. It�s just as likely there is a player sitting on the county circuit who can cut it as a test match player. This crop of players aren�t good enough and it�s been proven since 2019.

FattusCattus · « **Reply #1071 on:** January 15, 2022, 09:54:17 PM »

I don''t see anything to recommend Hameed, Burns, Pope, Malan, Butler, Leach to a long-term test place.

Better to cut them loose now and try the alternatives.

ppccopener · « **Reply #1072 on:** January 15, 2022, 10:23:27 PM »

Quote from: Devondumpling00 on January 15, 2022, 09:13:21 PM

This isn�t meant to sound rude, but what you�re suggesting is that we basically stick with the exact same side that has had the most disappointing ashes in recent memory, no thanks. Go into every test trying to win, stop the needless rotation policy to gear up for the next ashes and pick the best players available. If it�s in the summer, pick them on form.

They may be good enough later down the line, but there is no defined solution to get them there. It�s just as likely there is a player sitting on the county circuit who can cut it as a test match player. This crop of players aren�t good enough and it�s been proven since 2019.

No rudeness received, it�s all opinions.

The problem as I see it is a lack of top order players, Crawley has shown he at least has the game to score runs, Lawrence has not had a real chance when compared to Pope for example.

I think Lawrence deserves that spot so we can see if he can make it, Foakes should be our keeper.
Outside of the main ones you want to get in, Joe Clarke looks like he might be good enough-he is not top order thou.

James Bracey is highly rated looks like he froze last time but could be an option as a newish player.

I don�t think practically England will make 4 or 5 changes to the batting but happy to read on here options at the top.

I don�t see too many others making a case-that of course has been our problem for a couple of years

Manormanic · « **Reply #1073 on:** January 15, 2022, 10:30:59 PM »

In selecting the West Indies squad, I think you start with who are your bankers going forward?

At present, I'd say that gives you Crawley, Root, Stokes, Robinson (if he does the conditioning work he needs). Archer of course would be if he was available.

Bairstow probably too, if fit, but he has to be given a consistent role. For me that's 5/6 bat and top slipper, with Foakes given the gloves. Anderson, Broad and Wood are around and about though I do think at least one younger bowler should be blooded.

So we need two top order bats, two middle order squad players, a seamer and a spinner. And the problem is you could genuinely perm any 6 from about 25 with equal likelihood of success.

Jimbo · « **Reply #1074 on:** January 15, 2022, 11:58:11 PM »

In terms of top order players - Yates is very promising and has a fairly classical technique that looks suited to test cricket, Bracey was unfairly thrown into an unfamiliar role (plus keeping) and probably deserves a go at 3 against a slightly less brilliant team than New Zealand, and they could do worse than have look at what work Sibley has done on his technique over the winter.

Kulli · « **Reply #1075 on:** January 16, 2022, 12:04:32 AM »

Quote from: Jimbo on January 15, 2022, 05:32:47 PM

Real shame that Dan Lawrence hasn't been given a chance to improve his reputation.

Agree till an extent, but also think the only guys who�ve really benefited from this tour are the ones that haven�t played. Certainly on the batting front.

rickjames · « **Reply #1076 on:** January 16, 2022, 05:50:24 AM »

Brilliant from Wood this morning

billyb · « **Reply #1077 on:** January 16, 2022, 06:18:00 AM »

I feel like this game is probably the most winnable out of the entire series.
Unlikely, but we can do it. In theory.

jonny77 · « **Reply #1078 on:** January 16, 2022, 06:23:09 AM »

Quote from: billyb on January 16, 2022, 06:18:00 AM

I feel like this game is probably the most winnable out of the entire series.
Unlikely, but we can do it. In theory.

I wish i shared your optimism mate 😁 256 already seems more than enough with our batting and their attack under lights

billyb · « **Reply #1079 on:** January 16, 2022, 06:59:22 AM »

I know, I know. If they make a decent start, they might at least get close. But every run scored now really hurts us... We've bowled really well, just needed a bit more luck.

Wood gets a thoroughly deserved 6-37. 270-odd to win...

Also for fun (before this innings):
Woakes: 141 runs from 3 matches at 28.2. 6 wickets from 3 matches at 55...
Stokes: 231 runs from 5 matches at 25.6. 4 wickets from 5 matches at 71.

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