Topic: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22 (Read 91090 times)

rickjames · « **Reply #165 on:** December 09, 2021, 06:30:08 AM »

Leach has been so poor

ppccopener · « **Reply #166 on:** December 09, 2021, 06:48:55 AM »

Quote from: InternalTraining on December 08, 2021, 10:44:31 PM

Gloom and doom all over again!

Let AUS bat and then see how badly ENG performed.

Reserve judgement until both sides have batted on the pitch.

I think a lot of us knew already from experience. Further problem will be the fitness of some of our bowlers which without warm up games was also predictable

six and out · « **Reply #167 on:** December 09, 2021, 08:33:10 AM »

Fielding let's us down again!

I don't think you can fault the bowlers at all they created chances and then got tired and Head cashed in.

Robinson outstanding. Leach to only one not good enough really.

Now just the small matter of replicating the 2010 Cook, Strauss & Trott rescue act..... only problem is Burns, Hameed & Malan doesn't really have the same ring to it does it!

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #168 on:** December 09, 2021, 08:41:56 AM »

At least we got smith out cheaply for once, silver linings and all that.

Jimbo · « **Reply #169 on:** December 09, 2021, 08:54:47 AM »

Think it's unfair to just say Leach was poor and leave it at that. He's been given absolutely no opportunities to find form, rhythm or match fitness since the India tour. His last test before today was early March. Spectacularly poor from England management given they've spent two years going on about preparing for the Ashes.

Likewise, the rest of the bowlers have been given a couple of internal squad games which were largely rained off. How does that constitute well planned preparation for a major series?

Fielding was poor as well, lot of chances missed. Burns seems to drop a phenomenal number of chances for somebody who had a reputation as a decent slip catcher.

ppccopener · « **Reply #170 on:** December 09, 2021, 09:02:51 AM »

Quote from: Jimbo on December 09, 2021, 08:54:47 AM

Think it's unfair to just say Leach was poor and leave it at that. He's been given absolutely no opportunities to find form, rhythm or match fitness since the India tour. His last test before today was early March. Spectacularly poor from England management given they've spent two years going on about preparing for the Ashes.

Likewise, the rest of the bowlers have been given a couple of internal squad games which were largely rained off. How does that constitute well planned preparation for a major series?

Fielding was poor as well, lot of chances missed. Burns seems to drop a phenomenal number of chances for somebody who had a reputation as a decent slip catcher.

Totally right. I would like us to play a spinner more often but the one game he gets is on a green seamer in 2 years.

I think it�s unrealistic to expect our bowlers to roll out the Aussies with no preparation. Yes it�s the same for them but is a tough ask for Leach.

I also think Burns has done enough for a batting spot but he shells a huge amount in the slips�it�s not the first time straightforward chances hit the turf.

Jimbo · « **Reply #171 on:** December 09, 2021, 09:13:56 AM »

Leach is not a bad bowler, but the way he's been treated (and Ali before him) is horrendous management IMO.

In all honesty I thought they should have blooded Parkinson in test cricket in an inconsequential game before now, not that he'd be a solution here but I cannot see a future where he's not an England test match bowler.

Devondumpling00 · « **Reply #172 on:** December 09, 2021, 09:18:51 AM »

Quote from: Jimbo on December 09, 2021, 09:13:56 AM

Leach is not a bad bowler, but the way he's been treated (and Ali before him) is horrendous management IMO.

In all honesty I thought they should have blooded Parkinson in test cricket in an inconsequential game before now, not that he'd be a solution here but I cannot see a future where he's not an England test match bowler.

Love Parkinson. We don�t have a high quality spinner and who doesn�t love some leg spin? I don�t see too much risk compared to playing Leach

jayralh · « **Reply #173 on:** December 09, 2021, 09:20:28 AM »

Leach bowling with leg slip only and root bowling with leg and regular slip.

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SouthpawMark · « **Reply #174 on:** December 09, 2021, 09:50:11 AM »

In Silverwood we trust.

Jimbo · « **Reply #175 on:** December 09, 2021, 09:59:29 AM »

Quote from: Devondumpling00 on December 09, 2021, 09:18:51 AM

Love Parkinson. We don�t have a high quality spinner and who doesn�t love some leg spin? I don�t see too much risk compared to playing Leach

He's also massively improved his control over the last year or so which was my one big reservation about him as a red ball player. Matter of time before he's in the test team I hope.

golders · « **Reply #176 on:** December 09, 2021, 10:06:17 AM »

Captain and management have messed around another spinner in Leach horribly. No surprises this is the end result. England has a history of ruining spinners.
Such a shame,feel for the lad.

ppccopener · « **Reply #177 on:** December 09, 2021, 10:25:20 AM »

Quote from: golders on December 09, 2021, 10:06:17 AM

Captain and management have messed around another spinner in Leach horribly. No surprises this is the end result. England has a history of ruining spinners.
Such a shame,feel for the lad.

Well said. If we really were preparing for this series 12 months ago the planning is worse than useless

JTtaylor145 · « **Reply #178 on:** December 09, 2021, 10:29:24 AM »

Read a few comments on here regarding selection etc.

Australia are blessed with some truly world class players in Smith, Marnus, Warner, Cummins, Lyon, Starc and Hazelwood.

However we might like to dress it up in Australia they are by far a better side. Over here the contest is far closer. It is harder for the English batters to face the four Australian bowlers than for their batters to play Wood, Woakes, Robinson, Leach and an unfit looking Stokes.

I've seen comments saying Burns should be dropped etc. etc. but the problem is there is nobody out there that is any better. Nobody is knocking down the down demanding to be selected for the test match side. This is totally different from the ODI and T20 sides where we have an abundance of talent.

The issue remains the county game. Until the first class game gets priority we will continue to struggle. The lack of preparation for the Ashes didn't help, of course.

So drop Burns by all means and bring in Crawley but it won't make a massive difference as the talent pool in the first class game just isn't there and we are up against a strong side in their own conditions and they have some world class players and we have Root, Stokes, Anderson and Broad (two or which aren't playing).

Enjoy our white ball cricket because we are good at it but just accept that we are bang average at test cricket and have been for quite a while.

six and out · « **Reply #179 on:** December 09, 2021, 11:56:53 AM »

Quote from: Jimbo on December 09, 2021, 08:54:47 AM

Think it's unfair to just say Leach was poor and leave it at that. He's been given absolutely no opportunities to find form, rhythm or match fitness since the India tour. His last test before today was early March. Spectacularly poor from England management given they've spent two years going on about preparing for the Ashes.

Likewise, the rest of the bowlers have been given a couple of internal squad games which were largely rained off. How does that constitute well planned preparation for a major series?

Fielding was poor as well, lot of chances missed. Burns seems to drop a phenomenal number of chances for somebody who had a reputation as a decent slip catcher.

I agree that Leach has been mucked around by the management and was probably under prepared, but if that's the case then have the honesty to not pick him.

It may sound harsh but if you pick a spinner, they simply can't go at 8.6 an over, especially in Oz when it's energy sapping spells for the quicks etc....

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