Topic: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22 (Read 90754 times)

Manormanic · « **Reply #270 on:** December 13, 2021, 10:29:06 PM »

Quote from: SouthpawMark on December 12, 2021, 10:12:00 PM

4. No. Controversial opinion alert� I think Stokes has to bowl to be worthy of a place in the team. Yes he�s had some fabulous innings over the years, but there hasn�t been so many of them that he is indispensable as a batsman only.

You've seen the rest of our batting, right?

I mean, I get the point you're heading towards but really, would you pick Pope ahead of him? Bairstow? Crawley? Who?

It's not like the question of whether he bowls affects the number of front line bowlers picked - it's always four, a keeper, Ben and five others. Only thing is him bowling makes it a bit easier to play a front line spinner.

six and out · « **Reply #271 on:** December 14, 2021, 12:02:04 PM »

Stokes just sconed Root in the nets, looked pretty sharp! I know he has to practice but possibly injuring our only batter might not be very wise!

https://twitter.com/TheBarmyArmy/status/1470666145212551175?t=CCyK2SjscPzMPEY3CF4FFg&s=19

ppccopener · « **Reply #272 on:** December 14, 2021, 12:55:48 PM »

Root has not played fast bowling at all well but at least Stokes can still get it through at a reasonable pace.
He will need to bowl I think as despite the last match we need a spinner in the day night game.
Possible Root will do it but I think unlikely myself

Jimbo · « **Reply #273 on:** December 14, 2021, 01:57:23 PM »

If the Aussies are fielding as many left handed batsmen as last time I'd be happier with Root bowling than Leach.

ppccopener · « **Reply #274 on:** December 14, 2021, 02:02:55 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on December 14, 2021, 01:57:23 PM

If the Aussies are fielding as many left handed batsmen as last time I'd be happier with Root bowling than Leach.

I think Leach is the best spinner we have despite the last game where they got hold of him a bit.
I was thinking if Bess is in the squad I�m not sure
But I guess if he is that is an option.
Again�Bess has a mixed time so far in games, can bowl well and bat but also can send down some rubbish

Warneymonster · « **Reply #275 on:** December 14, 2021, 02:19:10 PM »

i'd be going with root as the spinner for a day night game, cant see many overs of spin needed and turning it away from the lefties has to be a good thing. would give us a much stronger bowling line up bringing in broad and anderson for woakes and leach

InternalTraining · « **Reply #276 on:** December 14, 2021, 03:45:51 PM »

Quote from: six and out on December 14, 2021, 12:02:04 PM

Stokes just sconed Root in the nets, looked pretty sharp! I know he has to practice but possibly injuring our only batter might not be very wise!

https://twitter.com/TheBarmyArmy/status/1470666145212551175?t=CCyK2SjscPzMPEY3CF4FFg&s=19

That's so quick! Insane. How does one even react to it unless anticipating it on the back foot.

I am surprised to see that Root's reaction to this was so delayed.

Bungle · « **Reply #277 on:** December 14, 2021, 03:52:47 PM »

That bumper looks lethal, he needs to do that in the next test!!

It must be so hard to face at that pace not having a clue what is coming down at you.

SLA · « **Reply #278 on:** December 14, 2021, 04:14:16 PM »

Not much point worrying about the bowling when the batting lineup looks unlikely to break 300 at any point in the series.

We've had a poor batting lineup for the best part of the last decade - by far the worst in living memory.

Not the individual batsmen's fault - they're a mixture of white ball specialists effectively trying their hand at a totally different sport and unsurprisingly failing, or bog standard county pros who in any other decade would be absolutely nowhere near international contention.

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #279 on:** December 14, 2021, 06:39:11 PM »

Quote from: SLA on December 14, 2021, 04:14:16 PM

Not much point worrying about the bowling when the batting lineup looks unlikely to break 300 at any point in the series.

We've had a poor batting lineup for the best part of the last decade - by far the worst in living memory.

Not the individual batsmen's fault - they're a mixture of white ball specialists effectively trying their hand at a totally different sport and unsurprisingly failing, or bog standard county pros who in any other decade would be absolutely nowhere near international contention.

I would say the batting line up of the 90�s was worse but not far off. Here is a question are they just not good enough or are they just really A) out of form B) really low on confidence C) coaching just nit developing them enough for the step up for test match cricket

ppccopener · « **Reply #280 on:** December 14, 2021, 06:57:31 PM »

I would not agree our batting line up of the 90�s as a whole was worse than we have now but you could make an argument either way for the sake of reason and there would not be much in it.

I would discount coaching and look at the single biggest difference

In my opinion it�s the sheer number and emphasis on one day cricket with the County Championship shoe in to the unglamorous part of the season

If you look at the 90�s players like Gooch Atherton and Smith would have played enough for their Counties.

The schedule of one day cricket now makes that impossible in my view.

Some of us might not like it but something has to give and that�s preparing to bat in test matches for the best players- who also play one day cricket

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #281 on:** December 14, 2021, 07:55:21 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on December 14, 2021, 06:57:31 PM

I would not agree our batting line up of the 90�s as a whole was worse than we have now but you could make an argument either way for the sake of reason and there would not be much in it.

I would discount coaching and look at the single biggest difference

In my opinion it�s the sheer number and emphasis on one day cricket with the County Championship shoe in to the unglamorous part of the season

If you look at the 90�s players like Gooch Atherton and Smith would have played enough for their Counties.

The schedule of one day cricket now makes that impossible in my view.

Some of us might not like it but something has to give and that�s preparing to bat in test matches for the best players- who also play one day cricket

So simple question do the ECB need to break the red ball test side away from one day side ie just specialist red ball players that take this over white ball cricket. You may not get the glamour names but those that are specifically picked for 5 day cricket

SD · « **Reply #282 on:** December 14, 2021, 08:50:44 PM »

Quote from: SOULMAN1012 on December 14, 2021, 06:39:11 PM

I would say the batting line up of the 90�s was worse but not far off. Here is a question are they just not good enough or are they just really A) out of form B) really low on confidence C) coaching just nit developing them enough for the step up for test match cricket

The batting line up of the 1990s was unquestionable worse and by quite some margin. I would like England to be a better side now but always view it with the context that we have in recent times been the lowest ranked test side in the world.

Personally I don't see that white ball cricket impacts on the performance of the test side save for those tours when players are being rotated. If you look at the ICC batsman rankings, very few are red ball specialists. In my view, an ability to face the world's best bowlers and the capacity to cope with the pressure of international cricket are more important than playing more red ball domestic cricket

Manormanic · « **Reply #283 on:** December 14, 2021, 10:01:39 PM »

I don't agree about the 90s line up. Atherton, Stewart, Smith, Hick, Hussain, Ramprakash would have done as well as the 2010/11 generation of they had had the same contracts, set up and management. Then it was a problem of inconsistent selection and really really tough opposition, now it is the simple fact that our players only play first class cricket in the shoulder months. There is a reason why our best players are all number sixes...

six and out · « **Reply #284 on:** December 15, 2021, 06:54:19 AM »

Australia name their XI - as suspected only change is Richardson in for Hazelwood, Warner is fit.

For once I would like to see us name our XI early and not wait for the toss. It just looks like we are unsure at what we are doing etc.... so either we actually still undecided, which is ridiculous because the pitch isn't changing overnight and surely they must of told the players who is playing. Or don't want to tell anyone the team for another reason? Maybe they think the Aussies are changing any plans based on a days notice, which is a bit silly.

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