Topic: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22 (Read 90779 times)

ppccopener · « **Reply #330 on:** December 16, 2021, 11:19:17 AM »

A lot of us have said it before. Foakes don�t drop straightforward ones and if averaging 30 is needed he can do that

SouthpawMark · « **Reply #331 on:** December 16, 2021, 11:22:38 AM »

That might well be one of the worst drops ever.

Jimbo · « **Reply #332 on:** December 16, 2021, 11:33:43 AM »

Quote from: ppccopener on December 16, 2021, 11:19:17 AM

A lot of us have said it before. Foakes don�t drop straightforward ones and if averaging 30 is needed he can do that

And just scored a 70 odd against a decent Aussie A attack...

Bungle · « **Reply #333 on:** December 16, 2021, 11:35:26 AM »

How are England so bad at catching. It's just embarrassing really.

Jlscarroll17 · « **Reply #334 on:** December 16, 2021, 11:44:11 AM »

Total lapse of concentration which you can�t afford, about time we went with a proper keeper. Hopefully this is silverwood�s last series as coach !

Manormanic · « **Reply #335 on:** December 16, 2021, 12:03:36 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on December 16, 2021, 10:10:30 AM

Two years of planning and this is what England have produced, you do start to despair a bit...

You ought to have said two years of planning and England have brought more or less the same side, but with lots more miles on the clock, a keeper with teflon hands and no sign of James Vince's three covers drives before nicking off to alleviate the gloom.

six and out · « **Reply #336 on:** December 16, 2021, 12:38:26 PM »

Today all stemmed from getting the team selection wrong in Brisbane, Leach shouldn't have played there and Broad should have, Warner therefore doesn't melt him around when it's not turning and they have more confidence to select Leach on a wicket which is obviously going to spin.

If they are not going to pick Leach then Wood should have played instead of Robinson. You have to have variety in the attack. Stokes short pitched bowling has looked our best weapon but he can't do it all himself and he has to bat as well.

Bowling dry is a fair enough tactic but you have to then hold the chances when they come and also get through the overs, England missed a trick not having the new ball under lights.

Buttler should have caught both chances he had, but I think we all know that!

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #337 on:** December 16, 2021, 12:43:27 PM »

Shane warne � you got to feel sorry for butler, his hardly made a mistake today, everything�s gone in the middle of the gloves�

Sorry mate that may be the case except the two he dropped of which one of caught 95/100 and the other 100/100 at this level. Back to it I just don�t rate Butler at test level at all. His not dynamic with the bat in test cricket, his avg is just that average and his glove work is again average and not in the top 5 keepers gloves for gloves in England.

Can see Aus declaring tomorrow even if they only have 375-400 to bowl at England under lights and that will be a real test for the batters

ppccopener · « **Reply #338 on:** December 16, 2021, 02:52:51 PM »

Quote from: six and out on December 16, 2021, 12:38:26 PM

Today all stemmed from getting the team selection wrong in Brisbane, Leach shouldn't have played there and Broad should have, Warner therefore doesn't melt him around when it's not turning and they have more confidence to select Leach on a wicket which is obviously going to spin.

If they are not going to pick Leach then Wood should have played instead of Robinson. You have to have variety in the attack. Stokes short pitched bowling has looked our best weapon but he can't do it all himself and he has to bat as well.

Bowling dry is a fair enough tactic but you have to then hold the chances when they come and also get through the overs, England missed a trick not having the new ball under lights.

Buttler should have caught both chances he had, but I think we all know that!

Yes totally agree with this. Leach got chucked in on a green seamer when either one or both Broad and Anderson should of played. He then had no runs to work with.

We are not good enough to make mistakes in selection and still expect to compete. We need all decisions off field right to give us a chance.

I�m forming the view myself Silverwood is out of his depth. Root needs help and he is not getting any.

Jimbo · « **Reply #339 on:** December 16, 2021, 03:04:01 PM »

For all the talk of not needing a top keeper in Aussie conditions like you do in the subcontinent, this could be a very different game if Buttler had held Labuschagne on 20 odd. Yes, he took a great catch earlier but just not good enough on the other two chances.

Have to think that Foakes standing up to the stumps while a spinner bowls would also give the bowler far more confidence than Buttler does.

SurreySam · « **Reply #340 on:** December 16, 2021, 06:11:47 PM »

Bit harsh this Buttler bashing. He first catch was as good as it gets, second opportunity was a tough ask, third was a sitter. For him, in balance that was an average day and still more than deserves his place.

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #341 on:** December 16, 2021, 06:20:42 PM »

Quote from: SurreySam on December 16, 2021, 06:11:47 PM

Bit harsh this Buttler bashing. He first catch was as good as it gets, second opportunity was a tough ask, third was a sitter. For him, in balance that was an average day and still more than deserves his place.

As a keeper that second one was fairly easy at his level and as for deserving his place, as a batsmen maybe but when he is at best the third best keeper in the country and that�s being generous, it�s not really. Let�s be honest his red ball stats are avg at best. The bloke is world class in white ball but county class in red ball. Foakes is world class with the gloves and with a very limited teat record so far not bad with the bat either when he has played.

ppccopener · « **Reply #342 on:** December 16, 2021, 07:02:19 PM »

Quote from: SurreySam on December 16, 2021, 06:11:47 PM

Bit harsh this Buttler bashing. He first catch was as good as it gets, second opportunity was a tough ask, third was a sitter. For him, in balance that was an average day and still more than deserves his place.

I think the majority of us are Butler fans and nothing but in awe of his one day record for us, it�s thrilling to watch and match winning.

The second chance I think a good keeper would expect to take that, the difference with a proper keeper is they just don�t drop sitters.

In England our bowlers create enough chances for it not to matter, in hot conditions drops hurt.
Foakes is the best by miles and a good batsman, if Butler was outstanding with the bat in red ball it might be different-but him and Bairstow average about the same.

I think Jos will concentrate on one day cricket after this tour myself.

billyb · « **Reply #343 on:** December 16, 2021, 07:50:12 PM »

I think I'm at the point now where I don't trust us to pick the strongest test side, and I don't really believe that we even have our strongest squad. In messing players around, we make things worse too.

I like Buttler but he has never exactly set the world alight in test cricket, has he? He did okay last year, but he gets in the side based on his white ball skills. Should he be?

We need to start planning for 4/5/6 years down the line, look at the talent pipeline, and rebuild. I feel sorry for Root in that he will probably never really have the chance to play in a top England side, but at least he can transition the team to the future.

six and out · « **Reply #344 on:** December 16, 2021, 08:31:47 PM »

Quote from: SurreySam on December 16, 2021, 06:11:47 PM

Bit harsh this Buttler bashing. He first catch was as good as it gets, second opportunity was a tough ask, third was a sitter. For him, in balance that was an average day and still more than deserves his place.

Sorry but as a keeper of 30 years I can tell you that, the 1st catch is outstanding, the other 2 drops are dreadful, especially the 2nd one.

His worth to the team is simply going down, if the runs don't come then Foakes has to play surely.

It's just a shame they have sent him and most of the Lions home.

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