Topic: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22 (Read 90826 times)

rickjames · « **Reply #480 on:** December 20, 2021, 10:51:14 AM »

It sounds like Root is trying to get the message across that they were bowling too short, but the bowlers aren't getting it, which with Broad and Anderson's stubborn nature doesn't particularly surprise me.

Experienced or not, he needs to dress them down if needed

SLA · « **Reply #481 on:** December 20, 2021, 11:12:35 AM »

Quote from: SD on December 19, 2021, 06:58:17 PM

Given that Australia haven't won a series in England since 2001 and that England have won once in Australia since 1987, there does need to be a degree of realism as to how hard winning an Ashes series away from home is in the modern era. What is disappointing is that we really haven't given ourselves a chance with the selection decisions over the bowling unit and dropped catches / wickets from no balls in the field.

The biggest lesson to be learnt I think is from New Zealand who produce a great site on a fraction of the financial and playing resources of England. They make sure they get all of the basics right which really isn't the case with England as a red ball side

The Aussies drew last time they were here and right now I'd put good money on them going one better in 2023.

Big Mac · « **Reply #482 on:** December 20, 2021, 11:31:34 AM »

Quote from: rickjames on December 20, 2021, 10:51:14 AM

It sounds like Root is trying to get the message across that they were bowling too short, but the bowlers aren't getting it, which with Broad and Anderson's stubborn nature doesn't particularly surprise me.

Experienced or not, he needs to dress them down if needed

and I wouldn't blame the bowlers for telling the batsmen to shut up and worry about less about the bowling lengths and concentrate on putting some runs on the board

Jimbo · « **Reply #483 on:** December 20, 2021, 12:47:08 PM »

Quote from: Big Mac on December 20, 2021, 11:31:34 AM

and I wouldn't blame the bowlers for telling the batsmen to shut up and worry about less about the bowling lengths and concentrate on putting some runs on the board

Shouldn't matter what the skipper does in the team, if bowlers can't or won't bowl to the plan they're told then there's a problem.

six and out · « **Reply #484 on:** December 20, 2021, 12:50:40 PM »

Quote from: Jimbo on December 20, 2021, 12:47:08 PM

Shouldn't matter what the skipper does in the team, if bowlers can't or won't bowl to the plan they're told then there's a problem.

It's also where Silverwood surely has to take some of the pressure off of Root and have a word with the bowlers.

SouthpawMark · « **Reply #485 on:** December 20, 2021, 01:37:18 PM »

Quote from: six and out on December 20, 2021, 12:50:40 PM

It's also where Silverwood surely has to take some of the pressure off of Root and have a word with the bowlers.

That would require Silverwood to do something other than hide away when we lose, and take the glory on those rare occasions when we don�t.

Jimbo · « **Reply #486 on:** December 20, 2021, 03:32:06 PM »

I like Root coming out and telling it like it is. Bit more spine than I've seen from him as skipper before, long may it continue.

Kulli · « **Reply #487 on:** December 20, 2021, 03:48:52 PM »

Is how it is not that we�ve failed to pass 250 in four goes and that Starc has more runs than all but 3 of our players. Beyond comprehension that they think the main fault lies in the bowling.

stamper · « **Reply #488 on:** December 20, 2021, 06:41:17 PM »

Awful. Just embarrassingly awful. I remember vividly after the last Ashes tour that it was generally agreed that we needed to start planning straight away what type of bowlers and batsmen we needed in order to be competitive in Oz. That was 4 years ago. 4 FCKN years.

What have we ended up with?

Fckn seam bowlers bowing offspin, and our no.s 3 & 4 batsmen also bowling spin....because we left our spinner on the bench...on an established spin receptive deck....because he got mullered after being selected to play on a green seamer the match before....having had next to no match practice the preceding year.

And batters whose County experience has been at the (No Swearing Please) ends of the UK summer when octogenarian 65mph seamers can take their wickets whenever they feel like it.

I don't blame the players. I feel they are trying their best, in general their best being below their competitor's level (because of the above).

I do blame the management team specifically and the top of the ECB in general. If they managed a business, they'd be bankrupt by now. Fck all of them. Ruining it for us. Useless cnuts.

Edited to add more swear words related to the time the management team had to sort things out.

ppccopener · « **Reply #489 on:** December 20, 2021, 07:05:27 PM »

Entirely in agreement. I�ve also stopped blaming the players. I have no doubt they are doing their best.

It is time there was some accountability, we all wanted to give Silverwood some time but I think the job is too big.

Giles the same, we can shuffle the selection pack but both these guys have got to go.

Don�t know who could replace the coach but personally I would like Strauss to be in the job Giles is in, that I do know

six and out · « **Reply #490 on:** December 20, 2021, 07:39:35 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on December 20, 2021, 07:05:27 PM

Entirely in agreement. I�ve also stopped blaming the players. I have no doubt they are doing their best.

It is time there was some accountability, we all wanted to give Silverwood some time but I think the job is too big.

Giles the same, we can shuffle the selection pack but both these guys have got to go.

Don�t know who could replace the coach but personally I would like Strauss to be in the job Giles is in, that I do know

The decision to give Silverwood full selection powers has back fired spectacularly. He must carry the can for this after he was given those responsibilities.

Drupy01 · « **Reply #491 on:** December 20, 2021, 07:42:54 PM »

They need to pull Mahmood out of.the big bash and.play him a d Wood together. We need pace to win in Aus but for some reason we are playing 4 bowlers that all bowl exactly the same.

I'd drop burns and let Malan open and bring either Bairstow or Crawley in.

Jlscarroll17 · « **Reply #492 on:** December 20, 2021, 08:15:53 PM »

Quote from: Drupy01 on December 20, 2021, 07:42:54 PM

They need to pull Mahmood out of.the big bash and.play him a d Wood together. We need pace to win in Aus but for some reason we are playing 4 bowlers that all bowl exactly the same.

I'd drop burns and let Malan open and bring either Bairstow or Crawley in.

What would be the benefit of moving malan who is batting nicely at number 3 ? Especially when we haven�t had a decent number 3 for a very long time.

Andythomo21 · « **Reply #493 on:** December 20, 2021, 08:24:27 PM »

Bairstow gives his wicket away cheaply at times and has hardly set the world alight on the test arena over the past few years but he is in a different class to half of the tripe we select and much more likely to hit a big score, if only maybe once in every 3 innings or so? Just my opinion.

Rez · « **Reply #494 on:** December 20, 2021, 08:48:30 PM »

Quote from: Andythomo21 on December 20, 2021, 08:24:27 PM

Bairstow gives his wicket away cheaply at times and has hardly set the world alight on the test arena over the past few years but he is in a different class to half of the tripe we select and much more likely to hit a big score, if only maybe once in every 3 innings or so? Just my opinion.

Totally agree. I've always been a Bairstow fan but he always seems very unpopular for whatever reason.

What we can't deny is that he has been a world class performer in the longer format. If we forget his more test runs in a calendar year than any wicketkeeper in history and most dismissals by any wicketkeeper in a year..... forget the gloves for a moment, he is right up there with Vaughan and Root for most test runs scored in a year.

Yes, the white ball focus may have made him a different player but that talent hasn't just evaporated never to be seen again. Compare that with someone like Pope who having been given countless chances is yet to prove that he is worthy of a spot in the team.

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