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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #495 on: December 20, 2021, 10:12:53 PM »
Quote from: Rez on December 20, 2021, 08:48:30 PM
Totally agree. I've always been a Bairstow fan but he always seems very unpopular for whatever reason.

What we can't deny is that he has been a world class performer in the longer format. If we forget his more test runs in a calendar year than any wicketkeeper in history and most dismissals by any wicketkeeper in a year..... forget the gloves for a moment, he is right up there with Vaughan and Root for most test runs scored in a year.

Yes, the white ball focus may have made him a different player but that talent hasn't just evaporated never to be seen again. Compare that with someone like Pope who having been given countless chances is yet to prove that he is worthy of a spot in the team.

I’m with you on that one, I’m selecting bairstow instead of Pope everyday !
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #496 on: December 20, 2021, 10:32:15 PM »
Quote from: Andythomo21 on December 20, 2021, 08:24:27 PM
Bairstow gives his wicket away cheaply at times and has hardly set the world alight on the test arena over the past few years but he is in a different class to half of the tripe we select and much more likely to hit a big score, if only maybe once in every 3 innings or so?  Just my opinion.
History suggests he’s really not. Averaging less than Pope on 2021 isn’t he?
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #497 on: December 20, 2021, 10:48:46 PM »
Quote from: Kulli on December 20, 2021, 10:32:15 PM
History suggests he’s really not. Averaging less than Pope on 2021 isn’t he?

On the contrary, history suggests that Bairstow is a better performer than Pope on the big stage and that's even factoring the period after he became a white ball specialist and damaged his red ball stats.
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #498 on: December 20, 2021, 10:54:13 PM »
Test   78   138   8   4381   167*   33.70   8031   54.55   6   22   517   28   195   13
Test   22   38   4   1013   135*   29.79   1990   50.90   1   6   115   2   22   0

looking at one season means nothing....

Pope hasn't had anything to worry about other than scoring runs and not playing ridiculous shots. Hmmmm, how has that been working out.
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #499 on: December 20, 2021, 11:07:20 PM »
Or to put it another way, Pope averages less with the bat than our 2nd/3rd choice keeper.... take your pick.
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #500 on: December 20, 2021, 11:49:12 PM »
I would be furious if I was part of this bowling unit being blamed by Root for this.  Woakes has been as ineffective in these conditions as many of us feared and Leach is cannon fodder at this level unless the conditions are very favourable but the rest have done a solid job particularly when one considers all the catches that have gone down. The bowling issues have resulted from selection decisions which fall squarely on Root and Silverwood.

This series is uncompetitive because of England's batsmen.  Burns and Pope have looked terrible but the rest have made starts but then failed to convert into match winning scores. 
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #501 on: December 21, 2021, 12:09:27 AM »
On the Pope v Bairstow, think it's important to look at when and where Bairstow has his runs. In recent years he has been abysmal against pace. Pope has been terrible against decent spin. Neither has been very convincing so I'd look to get Lawrence in, if only because he's shown a bit more spine than either this year.

Ideal world, Buttler bats 6 and Foakes keeps but they've sent him home. Lawrence has an excellent record for the Lions in Aus and personally I really rate him.
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #502 on: December 21, 2021, 06:44:36 AM »
Quote from: Andythomo21 on December 20, 2021, 08:24:27 PM
Bairstow gives his wicket away cheaply at times and has hardly set the world alight on the test arena over the past few years but he is in a different class to half of the tripe we select and much more likely to hit a big score, if only maybe once in every 3 innings or so?  Just my opinion.
If Bairstow made a big score every 3 innings he'd be an all-time great, rather than struggling for selection! In reality he has 1 score over 50 in 13 attempts in Aus, and 3 in his last 34 test knocks...

I'd love to suggest changes as there's obviously got to be some, but other than Lawrence we haven't really taken any backup - can't see Crawley getting many. Could be a good time to be in the BBL.
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #503 on: December 21, 2021, 06:47:38 AM »
Quote from: Jimbo on December 21, 2021, 12:09:27 AM
On the Pope v Bairstow, think it's important to look at when and where Bairstow has his runs. In recent years he has been abysmal against pace. Pope has been terrible against decent spin. Neither has been very convincing so I'd look to get Lawrence in, if only because he's shown a bit more spine than either this year.

Ideal world, Buttler bats 6 and Foakes keeps but they've sent him home. Lawrence has an excellent record for the Lions in Aus and personally I really rate him.

I would also pick Lawrence, the reason being because you know what you are getting with Pope and Bairstow and it ain't pretty, I think it's quite obvious Lyon is all over Pope and the Aussie quicks will be targeting bringing one back into Bairstow to get him bowled like he has been.

So with Lawrence there is a sort of lack of history there, a chance for him to make a mark etc....

But TBH have can't see them making any changes, after what Root said. Burns batted better 2nd innings, obviously Buttler saved himself and they have flown Foakes home for some ridiculous reason. They like Pope otherwise they wouldn't have picked him in the 1st place, and they won't want to admit they were wrong after 2 tests.

Only changes will be to the bowlers and who knows what they will be considering the 1st 2 tests!
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #504 on: December 21, 2021, 07:05:54 AM »
Always assumed that Foakes must have shagged Ed Smith's wife, now it's looking increasingly likely that it was James Taylor's.
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #505 on: December 21, 2021, 07:10:27 AM »
Quote from: Duck Duck Mongoose on December 21, 2021, 07:05:54 AM
Always assumed that Foakes must have shagged Ed Smith's wife, now it's looking increasingly likely that it was James Taylor's.

Or is he totally out of the selection scene these days? Either way the selection this series has been a complete shocker
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #506 on: December 21, 2021, 11:21:22 AM »
Quote from: Rez on December 20, 2021, 10:48:46 PM
On the contrary, history suggests that Bairstow is a better performer than Pope on the big stage and that's even factoring the period after he became a white ball specialist and damaged his red ball stats.

The period he’s still in?
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #507 on: December 21, 2021, 11:24:00 AM »
People would 'really rate' Pope again if he wasn't in the team.  :D

The Ben Foakes thing is becoming funny.
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #508 on: December 21, 2021, 11:25:11 AM »
Quote from: Rez on December 20, 2021, 11:07:20 PM
Or to put it another way, Pope averages less with the bat than our 2nd/3rd choice keeper.... take your pick.

Since 2018, when Pope made his debut, Bairstow averages 24.8. Surely that’s the fairest comparison, even if they haven’t played exactly the same games.

Either way neither is worth a spot, Pope was just an example of the low bar he falls below.
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #509 on: December 21, 2021, 11:54:20 AM »
Quote from: Kulli on December 21, 2021, 11:25:11 AM
Since 2018, when Pope made his debut, Bairstow averages 24.8. Surely that’s the fairest comparison, even if they haven’t played exactly the same games.

Either way neither is worth a spot, Pope was just an example of the low bar he falls below.

Shows how little there is coming through. Jake Libby should get a shot at opening. Obviously won't happen this series, but for next summer can we pick batsmen who are in form please selectors?!
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