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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #675 on: December 27, 2021, 10:05:41 AM »

I'm talking about the England test set up more widely, rather than just rotating players in and out of the team for this series.

Review the coaching personnel, the selection group, the approach to integrating new players into the side, etc. Not suggesting it's a silver bullet but I don't think anyone is going to suggest they're getting the best out of what they have currently.

Anything but admit what is really destroying English cricket.
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #676 on: December 27, 2021, 10:07:08 AM »

Putting Crawley in worked well then

Did anyone expect it to?
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #677 on: December 27, 2021, 10:09:14 AM »

Has the fat lady sung yet?

It ain’t over yet.
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #678 on: December 27, 2021, 10:10:35 AM »

Has the fat lady sung yet?

It ain’t over yet.
If Root gets 150+ we may manage to set them a target.
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #679 on: December 27, 2021, 10:44:55 AM »

If Root gets 150+ we may manage to set them a target.

Who’s going to bat long enough with him to get him there?
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #680 on: December 27, 2021, 10:46:08 AM »

Who’s going to bat long enough with him to get him there?
maybe Jos can bat 200 balls for 15 again? 😁
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #681 on: December 27, 2021, 10:53:40 AM »

Has the fat lady sung yet?

It ain’t over yet.

If everyone bats to their average we’ll set them 135 to win. That’s a huge IF
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #682 on: December 27, 2021, 11:08:46 AM »


I would love it, absolutely love it, if Jos could go into successful ODI Jos- mode. He just needs to get to 20 and cut loose. Same with Stokes and Bairstow really.

Maybe I'll subscribe to BT sport just for this ☺️
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #683 on: December 27, 2021, 12:45:47 PM »

As long they don't decide to select specialist batters and bowlers and accordingly to the Pitches and weather conditions, there will always be struggle.
Resulting into wasting players!
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #684 on: December 27, 2021, 01:50:04 PM »

As long they don't decide to select specialist batters and bowlers and accordingly to the Pitches and weather conditions, there will always be struggle.
Resulting into wasting players!

What are you talking about? Who are the Australian condition specialists that they should have selected but haven’t?
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #685 on: December 27, 2021, 01:53:29 PM »

So how come Aus and NZ can still put out decent quality test sides (batters and bowlers), despite the lure of countless T20 tournaments for their players - and we can't?

I'm assuming the competitiveness and timing of their domestic season has something to do with it?

Plenty of their players play both formats successfully - Smith, Warner, Williamson, Boult etc.

Simplify the whole discussion - what are they doing right, that we are doing wrong?  I'm sure Hameed, Crawley, Robinson, LEach have the same aount of raw talent and potential as young Kiwis and Aussie A-teamers - so what is wrong?

Silverwood?

Root?

The timing of our first-class season?

A historical obsession with white-ball cricket (blame the Bayliss regime)


ps - Leach is not the real deal, his ave. away from Taunton should confirm this - here's one for you - Monty Panesar, with all his limitations, was a significantly better bowler.
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #686 on: December 27, 2021, 02:06:20 PM »

Potential solutions:

Throw the baby out with the bathwater - it can't do any worse!

Change the FC season back to playing at more suitable times of the year

Top 12 counties to be pro, well funded in 2 divisions with bursaries for 2 x quality overseas each, 10 x first class games per season plus a finale and relegation playoffs

Remaining counties to be semi-pro, used as pathway for young trialists/Unicorns - player loans from bigger counties to give youngsters on the sidelines games (ahem Surrey)

Silverwood out, replaced by a hard-nosed overseas coach with international experience, supported by 3 x English recently retired pros on County Watch

Root removed from captaincy, and left to be our GOAT batsman

County pitches made mandatory to be conducive to spin on day 3 or 4

A bit of f*cking national pride, and value for your place - lower the central contract salary and increase performance relaled bonuses

Some sh*t hot coaches in the batting, fielding and bowling roles - Colly, KP, Anderson, Tresco, Broad - anyone who tells it like it is and is fresh to the game



I'm sure many will argue the toss over many of these points - they are just an opinion. However, we were a really good test side not so long ago, and someone has to do something to stop this malaise.

Root, Stokes, Robinson, Archer should all be world-class - Hameed, Crawley, Foakes, Stone, Mahmood and Parkinson could all be something with the right help.

Watching this debacle down under is sooooo frustrating - and someone with half a brain in the England set-up should be looking at how to put it right over the next 18 months.

I have the raving hump.

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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #687 on: December 27, 2021, 02:56:28 PM »

Time for the ECB to put their focus back on test cricket. We have won all the shorter format world cups, so time to focus on the purest forms of the game before we end up bottom of the pile and end up having to play tests against Ireland.

Bring back Sir Strauss. Sack Wheelie bin and Silverwood.
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #688 on: December 27, 2021, 02:56:53 PM »

Let's be honest, who is captaining this side if Root were to get given the boot? And please don't say Stokes

Everything is just a mess...
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #689 on: December 27, 2021, 03:08:55 PM »

Let's be honest, who is captaining this side if Root were to get given the boot? And please don't say Stokes

Everything is just a mess...

I know,Honestly can’t see any other option captaincy wise :\
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