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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #690 on: December 27, 2021, 03:41:41 PM »

Well - we need to find one and sharpish, because Root aint no test captain, and it's a job that runs the risk of ruining and disenchanting our potential greatest.

Stokes
Foakes
Morgan
Bat Woakes at 3 and Captain
County Championship winning captain
Darren Stevens
Me

God, I don't know!!!!
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« Reply #691 on: December 27, 2021, 04:08:59 PM »

Is there a specialist captain who is highly thought of in the county championship? What about the Somerset guy, Abell?

I agree that Root ain’t a good captain.

Too much I feel for stokes, maybe he wants it? Not sure he is even an all rounder anymore. Not ideal timing given he has only come back from a break.

Ummmmm, let’s just ask King Strauss- he knows all the answers to everything.
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #692 on: December 27, 2021, 04:11:22 PM »

Sir Samuel Billings for captain.
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #693 on: December 27, 2021, 04:23:15 PM »

Replacing Root isn't gonna make this group of players any better though is it really? You can't say Root hasn't lead from the front either, he's been outstanding this year.
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #694 on: December 27, 2021, 04:28:00 PM »

I don’t think Root is a very good captain but he is now in the same position Cook was in that there is no one obvious to take the job on, so he may well remain in place.

Despite the handicap of our domestic cricket I still think we could do better if selection and senior management are right.

I would like to see Giles and Silverwood dumped as soon as possible.

No objection at all to a foreign coach but Strauss should be in the Giles role
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #695 on: December 27, 2021, 04:55:12 PM »

Root was never captain material. It was a big mistake to appoint him as the captain.

This ENG performance is worse than 2013/2014 because there is no Mitchel Johnson and his chin music.
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #696 on: December 27, 2021, 05:38:09 PM »

Sir Samuel Billings for captain.

Good piece on Sam Billings in The Cricketer this month. Highlights exactly what is wrong with English cricket. He has become a wealthy man; but has actually played very little for a cricketer of his age.

(Cue loads of "wouldn't you?" responses.)
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #697 on: December 27, 2021, 05:45:14 PM »

Is there a specialist captain who is highly thought of in the county championship? What about the Somerset guy, Abell?

Ah, the Championship!

I'm sorry, but they will absolutely not bring in a captain
from outside the set-up. And nor should they as things stand.
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #698 on: December 27, 2021, 05:53:12 PM »

People said Burns could be Captain in the last series when he scored runs and people decided England had found an opener.
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #699 on: December 27, 2021, 05:54:18 PM »

@Bats_Entertainment - They will absolutely not - but should they?

Isn't the definition of madness, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #700 on: December 27, 2021, 05:59:46 PM »

People said Burns could be Captain in the last series when he scored runs and people decided England had found an opener.

English form seems to desert so quickly -

Burns = Poo
Hammed = Poo
Sibley = Poo
Crawley = Poo
Malan = Up and Down
Root = Ok
Stokes = Flatters at the mo
Pope = Poo
Lawrence = Who knows?
Butler = Poo
Bairstow = Ok
Foakes = Who Knows?
Woakes = Up and Down
Buttler = Poo
Robinson = Pretty Good
Broad = Up and Down
Leach = Poo
Wood = Ok
Broad = Up and Down
Anderson = Ok

Pick an XI from that lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! - My God, we are so off the boil.

Who stuck theior hand up from the Lions - I'm thinking they might fill a few slots over the next 12 months?
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #701 on: December 27, 2021, 06:00:53 PM »

@Bats_Entertainment - They will absolutely not - but should they?

Isn't the definition of madness, doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

I said nor should they as things stand.

Yes, they should be able to. But a system (ie a domestic structure) that enables it would need to be in place.

But I don't think we should be pointing the finger at Root anyway. It's the other batsmen that repeatedly let us down.
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #702 on: December 27, 2021, 06:02:48 PM »

if you picked as side from that lot, you would have -

Malan
Root
Woakes
Stokes
Bairstow
Lawrence
Foakes
Robinson
Wood
Broad
Anderson

Not bad on paper!
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #703 on: December 27, 2021, 06:03:12 PM »

Joe Root is the finest England cricketer I have seen. So he's a bit more than 'okay' in my book!
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #704 on: December 27, 2021, 06:05:02 PM »

But I don't think we should be pointing the finger at Root anyway. It's the other batsmen that repeatedly let us down.

I totally get that, sadly I feel the captaincy is a burden on our best batsman that he shouldn't have - a more cynical nation might pick a sacrificial lamb for 12 months until things get better - ie Payne.
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