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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #705 on: December 27, 2021, 06:06:13 PM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on December 27, 2021, 06:03:12 PM
Joe Root is the finest England cricketer I have seen. So he's a bit more than 'okay' in my book!

I'm talking about his current form, rather than his legacy - other than that, I agree with you - one of the absolute tiptop.
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« Reply #706 on: December 27, 2021, 06:20:27 PM »
Averaging just south of 50 in the series so far, not too shabby...
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« Reply #707 on: December 27, 2021, 06:28:56 PM »
The delusional Poms make me laugh. Acting like a no mark like Foakes is a test cricketer. We Aussies have already busted the myth of Burns and Pope. Boost their averages at the Oval. But no real talent when the pitch isn’t a flat as a motorway. Foakes another Oval cement pitch hype merchant. Line him and the Cartel will end his career as well.
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #708 on: December 27, 2021, 06:34:06 PM »
Quote from: Thor Odin’s Son on December 27, 2021, 06:28:56 PM
The delusional Poms make me laugh. Acting like a no mark like Foakes is a test cricketer. We Aussies have already busted the myth of Burns and Pope. Boost their averages at the Oval. But no real talent when the pitch isn’t a flat as a motorway. Foakes another Oval cement pitch hype merchant. Line him and the Cartel will end his career as well.

"The Cartel" 😂 how much did you have to drink on Christmas to still be feeling it now?
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #709 on: December 27, 2021, 06:35:30 PM »
Quote from: Jimbo on December 27, 2021, 06:20:27 PM
Averaging just south of 50 in the series so far, not too shabby...

Yep, don't get me wrong - I'm a huge Root fan, and wish him the best.

I can't call stats up like some, I just feel his recent scores have been up and down, and not consistent.

Happy to be proven wrong, but if I'm right, I'm sure it's due to the pressure of captaincy - I stand by my stance that he shouldn't be captain and a sacrificial lamb should be chosen.
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #710 on: December 27, 2021, 06:36:49 PM »
Quote from: Jimbo on December 27, 2021, 06:34:06 PM
"The Cartel" 😂 how much did you have to drink on Christmas to still be feeling it now?

@Jimbo - try not to walk over the Troll's bridge with your nut-sack hanging down - they will bite!
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #711 on: December 27, 2021, 06:41:23 PM »
Quote from: FattusCattus on December 27, 2021, 06:35:30 PM
Yep, don't get me wrong - I'm a huge Root fan, and wish him the best.

I can't call stats up like some, I just feel his recent scores have been up and down, and not consistent.

Happy to be proven wrong, but if I'm right, I'm sure it's due to the pressure of captaincy - I stand by my stance that he shouldn't be captain and a sacrificial lamb should be chosen.

He's averaged over 60 for the calendar year, is that possible without pretty consistent performances?

Think there's always going to be ups and downs but he's scored a ton in about one in every 4/5 innings this year, IIRC 10 scores of 50+, and he's batting with absolutely no support from his teammates.

Don't disagree with you on the captaincy, don't hate the idea of Tom Abell skippering and batting somewhere in the top 6.
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #712 on: December 27, 2021, 06:50:14 PM »
Burns would have been a good sacrificial lamb as you say but he's just been taken out of the side, they won't give the captaincy to a bowler so what other option do you have? Stokes?
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #713 on: December 27, 2021, 07:28:43 PM »
I guess Bairstow is another good sacrificial option.
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #714 on: December 27, 2021, 07:38:34 PM »
Can I ask why everyone think Root is a bad captain?

He has just had his best year yet with the bat so if the captaincy is effecting his batting then I would love to see what he would do without it!

Is he not a leader? His on field captaincy not up to it?

Or is it that he has an awful management team behind him that haven't helped him at all one bit and if he had the right team etc.... he might actually do alright?
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #715 on: December 27, 2021, 07:42:04 PM »
Quote from: six and out on December 27, 2021, 07:38:34 PM
Can I ask why everyone think Root is a bad captain?

He has just had his best year yet with the bat so if the captaincy is effecting his batting then I would love to see what he would do without it!

Is he not a leader? His on field captaincy not up to it?

Or is it that he has an awful management team behind him that haven't helped him at all one bit and if he had the right team etc.... he might actually do alright?
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #716 on: December 27, 2021, 07:48:47 PM »
Scoring average of 50 and you guys talking about replacing Skipper! Something is worth you guys!
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #717 on: December 27, 2021, 07:50:12 PM »
He doesn't seem to be in command of his own bowling attack

I'm not sure he has any influence on selection

There seems to be times when he doesn't have a plan B when things aren't going right

He looks tired, pissed off, lacking spark and worn down by the captaincy - why saddle your best batsamn with this?

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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #718 on: December 27, 2021, 07:52:31 PM »
Quote from: Jimbo on December 27, 2021, 06:41:23 PM

Don't disagree with you on the captaincy, don't hate the idea of Tom Abell skippering and batting somewhere in the top 6.

I don’t think any Somerset batsman is deserved of a call up based on batting performance in the last year. There are some to look out for in the future though.

I’m open to Root losing the captaincy, but there’s just no one there to do it. If you were going to bring someone in from outside the setup, you’d want them to have the miles as captain on the clock, an elder statesmen, to have a record of winning in the longer format. Someone who could command respect immediately. Pair that with a decent first class average and I think the state of team makes that an acceptable move. What’s Vince up to hahaha
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Re: Ashes Test Series - 2021/22
« Reply #719 on: December 27, 2021, 07:55:45 PM »
Quote from: six and out on December 27, 2021, 07:38:34 PM
Can I ask why everyone think Root is a bad captain?

He has just had his best year yet with the bat so if the captaincy is effecting his batting then I would love to see what he would do without it!

Is he not a leader? His on field captaincy not up to it?

Or is it that he has an awful management team behind him that haven't helped him at all one bit and if he had the right team etc.... he might actually do alright?

He is batting well we get stuffed even more than without him. I don’t think he is an instinctive Captain who handles the bowlers very well.
Whether some of our bowlers are a bit too powerful in the team who knows.

I think our best captains recently even when we were poor had good coaches to work with, Nasser,Strauss,Vaughan.

But totally agree with you it’s the management that needs replacing.

Personally I think we need an experienced Coach to guide Root. Someone like a Fletcher
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