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Re: Chad's Batmaking Thread (The first Bat Shaper in Scotland?!)
« Reply #60 on: August 24, 2022, 09:34:12 AM »

@Chad I have been admiring your work from afar. Super efforts and very inspiring. And a pleasure to read as always.
Can I ask the sanding grit numbers you start to finish with? And how long you generally used each one for?
And maybe a tip on How long to allow for if you were just sanding manually? 😬
Many thanks
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Re: Chad's Batmaking Thread (The first Bat Shaper in Scotland?!)
« Reply #61 on: August 24, 2022, 05:43:22 PM »


Fantastic work Chad. I do love the Hades shape. I can only see one dent, can that steam out? If not it's out of the hitting zone and while you are wanting Salix levels of finishing and beyond there are plenty of us on here who would pay for your work.


IIRC, GN toes were around 23mm thick and 25mm were the toe meets the spine. What are the specs here?


Also what camber do you have? GM 4.5 or 7mm?


Thanks Roger - it wasn't easy for an amateur like me to shape. (Especially since the pictures I dug out for reference weren't consistent) I ended up applying some water to the spot and buffed with the polish wheel - I repeated this a few times and the dent has mostly been rectified - luckily its in the sticker region, so can be covered up somewhat. I think the edge is 22mm at the toe, and the centre is around 32mm, so quite thick. It's a 7mm camber face, but with no bow, so the bat will look different I guess... I wouldn't call it a successful attempt, but not quite a failure - maybe once I can properly visualise it and draw it out on a piece of paper, I'll reattempt.




Really annoying when that happens mate, but I'm sure it can be rectified to some degree with a bit of work.

Shaping seems to be really coming on too. This one isn't for me shape wise, but that's just a personal thing and looks really good in regards to what you were trying to achieve. Top effort!


Thanks Jonny - I think just taking the extra time needed is key. Going to take a wee break from shaping any soon, and just spend some time sorting out the ergonomics in the workplace, hopefully increasing productivity and giving me peace of mind :)




Feel your pain Chad, did almost the exact same with a brand new bat earlier this year, nightmare!


Can remember my son dragging a new bat down the garden steps a couple of years ago, could have cried




Oh gosh - the pain! I was beside myself in anger when I did this - so daft, something simple like adjusting the grips when on a vice would have sufficed...


Ho Chad great effort and work :)

I think you rectified that chip with a water trick ? Can you share how you did it ?


Yes - Rob Pack gave me a wee tip that worked - instead of steaming, I could just apply a few droplets of water to the area, wait a bit, then buff, and repeat until it's risen all that it could. It's soft wood there, as it hasn't been pressed, so by introducing water, you allow it to return to its natural state. (Or tend towards it) This is why it's important to try not to get the face of the bat wet if you can - the willow has been manipulated in that top layer to mimic hardwood properties, so water will undo some of this manipulation. (A few droplets of rain etc won't hurt)




@Chad I have been admiring your work from afar. Super efforts and very inspiring. And a pleasure to read as always.
Can I ask the sanding grit numbers you start to finish with? And how long you generally used each one for?
And maybe a tip on How long to allow for if you were just sanding manually? 😬
Many thanks


Thank you - I do try to give the willow the respect it deserves - been a source of my fascination since I started playing cricket, and I think I noticed that as I got more used to shaping, I'd get a bit complacent. (Also, part mades aren't cheap, and I don't actively try to sell any of my creations - I've sold 2 so far and made more than 20.)

In terms of grits - it does depend. I tried using 80 grip on the orbital - which is fine if you have good control over your orbital. You can find that 80 grit can really bite into the willow and cause swirls if you don't have a steady hand, so now if I orbital, I'll maybe blast with an 80 if I'm getting rid of bumps, but only for a short time. Currently using 180 on the drum sander, then dropping down to 120 grit with hand sanding. I'm going 120 - 180 - 240 - 320 - 400 with hand sanding - although really, I should be using a 150 in between the 120 and 180 as 120 is still quite abrasive.

I'm currently still learning and figuring out what works for me. I've spent hours sanding these as I decided to try not to take too much off with tools, and really try to be patient in sculpting and detailing. In this case, it's kind of worked out, and kind of not - the profile itself was very difficult to sand.

If you're thinking of just sanding by hand - you're a madman. Get an orbital sander.  :D  But seriously, if that's your thing - start with an 80 grit.
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Re: Chad's Batmaking Thread (The first Bat Shaper in Scotland?!)
« Reply #62 on: August 24, 2022, 08:51:16 PM »

Sorry to hijack @Chad but I'd agree. Sanding a bat by hand is a pain. Sanding many bats by hand is torture! 😆 You can get a decent sander for under 100 quid and it's well worth it.

After trying a few different variations, i now use 80, 150, 240, 320, 400. Seems to work for me to get a nice finish. I think you can obsess over finishing and in fairness, it just doesn't last and most people aren't bothered. I do like a bat to leave the workshop looking shiny and new tho! 😆

Top work again mate. Your passion for bats, batmaking and willow is great to see!
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Re: Chad's Batmaking Thread (The first Bat Shaper in Scotland?!)
« Reply #63 on: August 25, 2022, 07:19:16 AM »

I remember seeing a video once where James Laver said he only does two passes on the drum sander - 100 and 240, then polish and done.

That shape looks a pig to make, nice work Chad!
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Re: Chad's Batmaking Thread (The first Bat Shaper in Scotland?!)
« Reply #64 on: August 25, 2022, 09:34:33 AM »

Thanks for the sanding tips gents.
After reading bat care info on the forum and a couple of CricketBatInfo vids I felt brave enough to remove my bat stickers & scuff (older I get the less I’m into stickers 🐐)
A new Salix bat made me compare the lovely smooth glass like finish to my older bats. Could I achieve the same?
So I had a head start with finished bats.
A trip to a DIY store and bought a basic multipack of hand sanding sheets.
I practiced on an old bat first
I started with 120 then 150, 180 etc. All were very responsive and achieved what I set out to do.
So I kept going through the pack as it was so easy, 400, 600, 800, into the 1000’s now. Woohoo, now I might not even need to borrow a mates buffer! Grit 2500 later job done. Soooo sooooo smoooooth, ooooohh that feeels nice on my face 🤤🤤.
A bit of bat wax (thanks OX29 Bat Doctor) and a polish yellow duster 24 hours later and I had more than matched my lovely Salix finish. Quite ridiculous and very addictive but I recommend trying it, even just for a laugh.
I defo take your word for it that a bare bat would take hours to sand manually.  Thanks very much 👍👍
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Re: Chad's Batmaking Thread (The first Bat Shaper in Scotland?!)
« Reply #65 on: August 29, 2022, 03:22:02 PM »

Right, so after getting over being a diva and being annoyed with myself, I brought myself to rectify the dent somewhat, and just finish the bat. I'm not happy with it, there are definitely areas where I really messed up, but here goes...

Bat number 22 (? - lost track)

Decided to try make a SAF Hades, or at least try take into account the theories behind the profile and whatever ideas about batmaking Andy had, etc etc. Also to try use up some of the heavier clefts I had...

Images I worked with...









Aims/Learning Points
  • Had messed up 2 previous attempts by shaving too much off - going to try keep as much on and slowly whittle away
  • Sometimes edges offset naturally - with this profile, I was wanting to intentionally exaggerate this
  • Keep a high spine
  • Try to attempt a C-V profile (convex up towards the splice, and concave at the lower half of the bat to aid with balance/pick up
  • None of the pictures I used were really that consistent - they all varied enough to make them look quite different, so was up to me to try interpret it








And lastly, dressed with some Pryzm stickers:














Things I could have done but didn't
  • Finger tapping as I made the bat. to try test for rebound quality as I shaped. (Dunno if this worked, and would just be me being pretentious if I did it)
  • Put the bat in a vice when adjusting anything (Still bitter about the drop)
  • Rounded the spine more rather than keeping it sharp (I had it rounded initially I think, but needed to concave more to balance)
Difficulties Encountered
  • Not an easy profile to sand or shape - the high spine and the offset in the edge made it a bit awkward
  • Keeping the spine high was a little difficult, and curving it into the toe while keeping a nice flow to the profile was a bit of a challenge. (Not quite sure I've nailed it)
  • Having to resand and refinish numerous times was a pain


Conclusions

All in all I feel the attempt was a fair one - not an easy one for a novice like me to make, but I think I tried to keep as faithful as possible with things like face camber, high spine etc. Maybe I ran the spine too much into the toe, and needed to exaggerate the curve a little more into it, but I didn't want to make it a straight line by mistake. I do think the pick up is decent for the weight. The spine doesn't quite run flush with the middle of the bat if I look and measure carefully, but it's off by a little - this was probably because I had it more rounded prior to the slight rebalance. I may try another attempt with another cleft at some point, but for now - I think I've scratched my itch for attempting this 'cult classic' profile.
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Re: Chad's Batmaking Thread (The first Bat Shaper in Scotland?!)
« Reply #66 on: August 30, 2022, 06:22:00 PM »

Pretty good mate. Your finishing is amazing.
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Re: Chad's Batmaking Thread (The first Bat Shaper in Scotland?!)
« Reply #67 on: August 30, 2022, 06:41:15 PM »

Agreed, finish looks lovely mate and i wouldn't worry too much sbout small errors. Think of what Rob Pack told you and concentrate on making a well balanced bat which pings....that's the most important thing! I get the search for perfection, as it's easy to get caught up in. However, most people don't inspect bats to CBF levels 😆
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Re: Chad's Batmaking Thread (The first Bat Shaper in Scotland?!)
« Reply #68 on: August 30, 2022, 10:07:23 PM »

Pretty good mate. Your finishing is amazing.


Thank you! I do try put in the time for finishing - still got a lot to improve on, but hopefully I'm going in the right direction!


Agreed, finish looks lovely mate and i wouldn't worry too much sbout small errors. Think of what Rob Pack told you and concentrate on making a well balanced bat which pings....that's the most important thing! I get the search for perfection, as it's easy to get caught up in. However, most people don't inspect bats to CBF levels 😆



Thanks mate - yes, as you say, best not get too caught up in trying for perfection, especially since I'm so far away from it! But as someone who appreciates fine bats, I can't go too easy on myself, regardless of my limited experience!
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Re: Chad's Batmaking Thread (The first Bat Shaper in Scotland?!)
« Reply #69 on: August 31, 2022, 06:44:47 PM »

Lovely work Chad,,,the finishing is spot on
Not sure about that shape tho,,Andy was a funny fish for sure,,,he was just down the road from me..

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Re: Chad's Batmaking Thread (The first Bat Shaper in Scotland?!)
« Reply #70 on: September 01, 2022, 09:22:28 PM »

Lovely work Chad,,,the finishing is spot on
Not sure about that shape tho,,Andy was a funny fish for sure,,,he was just down the road from me..


Thanks Mark - can't not put in the effort to finish a bat as well as I can with so many makers on here finishing to an exceptional standard!

And agree - but I think it's also my execution on it. I think there is a way to put the concepts together and have a beautifully flowing bat - I just don't quite have the experience yet and possibly don't have the imagination developed yet for it to materialise. Hopefully on the 4th attempt, it'll be a winner!

And yes, a little bit of a funny fish, but always interested me with his take on batmaking etc. (Even if I didn't agree with offset spines and all that!)
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Re: Chad's Batmaking Thread (The first Bat Shaper in Scotland?!)
« Reply #71 on: September 01, 2022, 09:55:02 PM »

Right, so I had actually been making up 2 other bats alongside the Hades attempt. I had a repair/refurb in, and it was a bat I sold on many moons back - a Chase FLC, which really didn't appeal to me too much back then. But after seeing it back in my hands, I grew to like the profile more, and felt it made a lot of sense on the slow and low pitches we tend to play on. The pick up was also amazing for something with such a low swell - so I felt compelled to make a sort of replica to consider as a stock shape.



The assignment












Learning objectives
  • Try to make a well balanced bat with a low middle
  • Keep the spine running into the toe
  • Try not to butcher the bat
  • Try figure out what kind of weight I would get from this weight of cleft
  • I wanted to try get as close to the profile as I could as a challenge
  • Try get the bat to pick up well - this would require a bit of work in terms of shaping, and also in willow knowledge for cleft selection. I picked a cleft with butterfly stains up the top above the balance point, in hope that it was just denser higher up above the balance point, so would act as a bit of additional counterbalancing if coupled with thicker shoulders



End result (Post shape and finishing)





















And of course, with the plethora of cricket bat related items I have around, I had a set of Chase Lancer stickers. (Thanks to whoever I acquired these from - I feel they really suited the profile and also the willow itself)




   















Personal Thoughts

I thought initially that I had done really quite well - I was really very happy with the end result of the bat, it picked up quite well for the weight (2lb 12oz) and the shape looked very similar. I managed to even have the toe thicker in the centre, and have the bat bigger overall with a more defined spine, and I felt the finish was good. I felt that maybe I had found a profile that I could practice repeating, as it wouldn't be far off what people would want to use up here.


Then, of course, I looked at it a little too long, and spotted little niggles in the finishing, such as a deeper groove than most, probably caused by 120 grit sandpaper during the hand sand. The spine into the toe didn't match the FLC, although since I was making a slightly larger version, it wouldn't have been possible without making the toe thicker at the edges, so a bit of an oversight on my part.

However, I do feel that I generally did everything to the best of my ability for now - so I am actually happy with the decisions made and the execution for this one - from the choice of profile to the selection of the cleft, from the shaping and finishing of the profile to the matching of stickers to the willow tone. It's not perfect, it's not amazing, there are blips in the shaping, but I did use a bashed up bat as a reference, and I am merely/barely a novice at this stage. (Something humbling to remember while being surrounded by the stunning pieces of craftsmanship I've had the privilege of owning, and even lucky enough to have watched some of them being made in person.)

And to round things off, a little collage just to show that I wasn't too far off in execution afterall...

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Re: Chad's Batmaking Thread (The first Bat Shaper in Scotland?!)
« Reply #72 on: September 02, 2022, 06:36:53 AM »

Absolutely superb work Chad. If you would’ve posted that saying you asked Chase to copy an old favourite I wouldn’t have been surprised that was their work!

Keep going mate, truly impressive.
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Re: Chad's Batmaking Thread (The first Bat Shaper in Scotland?!)
« Reply #73 on: September 02, 2022, 07:44:54 AM »

Wow, fantastic work Chad, the copy looks pretty much spot on. Youre improving rapidly and this is very impressive for someone who's just recently started out with bat making.
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Re: Chad's Batmaking Thread (The first Bat Shaper in Scotland?!)
« Reply #74 on: September 02, 2022, 10:05:05 AM »

Very good stuff, I love how in depth you go with your batmaking and the end product is fantastic.
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