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Re: 2021 World Cup T20
« Reply #210 on: October 31, 2021, 08:28:05 PM »

Hoping SA can pull off a miracle and qualify for the semis - good for the game if two of the “big three” sit out of the final 4. But England look almost invincible and only an epic choke would prevent them from winning.
SA looked shaky in the last game... think the whole QDK stuff hasn't been good for them. Its a shame... hope they can recover as a team.
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« Reply #211 on: October 31, 2021, 08:43:44 PM »

Ind has an archaic T20 strategy where they try to start slow in power play by keeping wickets and then accelerate later. Mostly only works when chasing moderate totals, but in all other instances (which is the majority of games), will fail. If you see the top 6 batsmen, almost all of them are captains of their respective teams in ipl and play anchor roles, so when they play for Ind, few of them have to change their natural role and play aggressive, and that doesn't come off well often. You don't see Jos butler and Jason Roy playing anchor roles in Eng domestic T20 and then try to switch to aggressive mode in internationals. A player like Joe Root can't make it into Eng T20 side, and see how Eng is doing in ODI/T20.

India needs an Eng like moment where they revamp the entire side with younger/T20 specialists. Despite IPL being great etc etc, if you see the top performers in this years IPL in same UAE pitches, none of them are even in the squad, forget about the playing XI. So selection based on reputation versus T20 specialists/form hurt Ind badly. No wonder they fail to make playoffs.
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« Reply #212 on: October 31, 2021, 10:00:13 PM »

There was an interesting discussion on the BBC Radio 5 broadcast. Ravi Bopara raised the point that the limited opportunity for Indian players to get games away from India side/ IPL undermined their ability to play limited overs on non-sub continent pitches. Test series there is time to adjust but that is limited in reduced formats. Not sure that I totally agree but an interesting point.
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Re: 2021 World Cup T20
« Reply #213 on: October 31, 2021, 10:30:13 PM »

No of wickets in this tournament

Liam Livingstone - 3

India - 2

What a stat
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« Reply #214 on: October 31, 2021, 11:25:00 PM »

Hoping SA can pull off a miracle and qualify for the semis - good for the game if two of the “big three” sit out of the final 4. But England look almost invincible and only an epic choke would prevent them from winning.

Will be interesting to see how England fare after losing a toss and batting first. Seems the way of the game goes towards the bowling first team
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Re: 2021 World Cup T20
« Reply #215 on: November 01, 2021, 09:51:05 AM »

Ind has an archaic T20 strategy where they try to start slow in power play by keeping wickets and then accelerate later. Mostly only works when chasing moderate totals, but in all other instances (which is the majority of games), will fail. If you see the top 6 batsmen, almost all of them are captains of their respective teams in ipl and play anchor roles, so when they play for Ind, few of them have to change their natural role and play aggressive, and that doesn't come off well often. You don't see Jos butler and Jason Roy playing anchor roles in Eng domestic T20 and then try to switch to aggressive mode in internationals. A player like Joe Root can't make it into Eng T20 side, and see how Eng is doing in ODI/T20.

India needs an Eng like moment where they revamp the entire side with younger/T20 specialists. Despite IPL being great etc etc, if you see the top performers in this years IPL in same UAE pitches, none of them are even in the squad, forget about the playing XI. So selection based on reputation versus T20 specialists/form hurt Ind badly. No wonder they fail to make playoffs.

Yes agreed. Poor selection and strategy cost India. But thats always been their strategy...the top order fires, scores big and then bowlers defend. In this tournament, the top order has not fired and they have struggled. Its a risky strategy but its the best they have. Bowling has rarely won matches for them.
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Re: 2021 World Cup T20
« Reply #216 on: November 01, 2021, 10:15:15 AM »

There was an interesting discussion on the BBC Radio 5 broadcast. Ravi Bopara raised the point that the limited opportunity for Indian players to get games away from India side/ IPL undermined their ability to play limited overs on non-sub continent pitches. Test series there is time to adjust but that is limited in reduced formats. Not sure that I totally agree but an interesting point.

I think it is an interesting point but given that the IPL has just finished in the UAE, the Indian side should have more recent experience in these conditions than any other side
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Re: 2021 World Cup T20
« Reply #217 on: November 01, 2021, 10:47:48 AM »

What if the IPL is actually hampering the Indian side and having two more teams will make it worse...
The Indians really are making their golden goose work very hard.
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Re: 2021 World Cup T20
« Reply #218 on: November 01, 2021, 02:14:12 PM »

What if the IPL is actually hampering the Indian side and having two more teams will make it worse...
The Indians really are making their golden goose work very hard.

BCCI wouldn't feel a thing (except for some lip service) if Ind didn't win any ICC trophy  as long as IPL rakes in the money.  Even players are like that, you see even likes of ABD giving up national duty/potential WC appearance to ensure they can play for franchises for the longest possible.

Having said that, don't think IPL is really the issue here when the best IPL guys aren't playing in T20 WC. Just bad selection and bad captain using an outdated ODI strategy in T20s. Based on current form, remove Rohit and Hardik, get Venkatest Iyer and Ishan Kishan in Xi. And Ruturaj in squad to keep KL on his toes for other opener slot. Among bowlers, Chahal and Harshal patel have done great in IPL in same UAE pitches, they need to be in Xi. Just have Kohli for anchor role, rest all T20 role. Even with these changes, team composition changes and looks much better on form and balance. But problem is Kohli as captain can't let go of his buddies (based on reputation rather than form) When one reporter asked Kohli if Rohit should be replaced by Ishan Kishan, Kohli replied if that is even a question. Remember without Rohit in xi, Ind beat Eng in warm up game, so the questions surely deserves merit/consideration. However, such inflexibility in thinking/lack of innovation defines Kohli's captaincy and has caused his downfall.
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Re: 2021 World Cup T20
« Reply #219 on: November 01, 2021, 03:35:13 PM »

Jos is so bloody good
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Re: 2021 World Cup T20
« Reply #220 on: November 01, 2021, 03:47:40 PM »

UNIVERSE JOS
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Re: 2021 World Cup T20
« Reply #221 on: November 01, 2021, 03:51:46 PM »

Jos is so bloody good

Why bother with 4s when you can hit 6s?
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Re: 2021 World Cup T20
« Reply #222 on: November 01, 2021, 03:58:19 PM »

We finally have a player that has scored a century in all 3 formats. I've been waiting on this niche stat for ages! I thought Malan might beat him to it.

Buttler: 2 Test Centuries, 9 ODI Centuries, 1 T20I Century.
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Re: 2021 World Cup T20
« Reply #223 on: November 01, 2021, 05:23:43 PM »

This is closer than I thought it would be 45 minutes ago!
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Re: 2021 World Cup T20
« Reply #224 on: November 01, 2021, 05:25:47 PM »

That is brilliant from Roy
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