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Re: 2021 World Cup T20
« Reply #300 on: November 10, 2021, 08:44:54 PM »
Quote from: potzy248 on November 10, 2021, 06:43:09 PM
Yes boys!!!  :D :D :D

Hopefully Pakistan in the final and a win to shut the Pakistan trolls up for good.

Most Pakistan fans love NZ (and WI) as their second team.
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Re: 2021 World Cup T20
« Reply #301 on: November 10, 2021, 08:45:31 PM »
This NZ team is arguably the best all format team around.
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Re: 2021 World Cup T20
« Reply #302 on: November 10, 2021, 08:53:43 PM »
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Re: 2021 World Cup T20
« Reply #303 on: November 10, 2021, 10:26:49 PM »
I'm surprised no one has mentioned it. Morgan to retire maybe??
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Re: 2021 World Cup T20
« Reply #304 on: November 10, 2021, 10:32:56 PM »
Quote from: potzy248 on November 10, 2021, 10:26:49 PM
I'm surprised no one has mentioned it. Morgan to retire maybe??

He says he wants to play in next one.
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Re: 2021 World Cup T20
« Reply #305 on: November 10, 2021, 11:02:55 PM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on November 10, 2021, 07:25:38 PM
Maybe one of the other 'powerplay bowlers' could have done the job? Or one of the 'inbetween bit bowlers'?

Bloody Nasser Hussain and his verbal diarrhea. :o

Powerplay and death overs require different skills, very rare you see sides throwing the kitchen sink at it in the first six.

If the "in-between" bowlers had the necessary skillset and attributes then presumably they would be regularly bowling death overs for England or franchise sides. It's a very specialist skill and lack of it has cost England today.
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Re: 2021 World Cup T20
« Reply #306 on: November 10, 2021, 11:44:15 PM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on November 10, 2021, 05:46:59 PM
What a nonsense that bowlers are being rigidly pigeon-holed like this.
Whether we like it or not, T20 is all about specialists right now, whether batters, bowlers or even fielders (boundary experts/relay catches). If you have  Virat Kohli type batsmen from 1 to 6, in T20, it won't get you anywhere. For each of beginning, middle and death overs, need specialist batters and bowlers with some overlap and adaptability obviously as needed based on game situation, pitch condition, opposition, etc.
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Re: 2021 World Cup T20
« Reply #307 on: November 11, 2021, 07:15:30 AM »
The way I look at this is yes we were one of the favourites but so we're India and they had a shocker!

We played some great cricket from the start without Stokes and Archer, and then lost Mills whose replacement Wood wasn't fully fit and went at 11's against SA and 8.5 against NZ and didn't take a wicket in either game!

Add to that Roy's injury and I think we did very well after losing the toss against a very good NZ side, almost and should of probably pulled off an unlikely win after posting 166.

These may sound like excuses but what I sm saying is we must look at what we have done taking everything into account.

Pakistan have played the best cricket I think in the tournament and I hope they win it. I can't get over how much of a factor the toss has been though.
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Re: 2021 World Cup T20
« Reply #308 on: November 11, 2021, 09:23:47 AM »
Personally think England had a very good tournament and just lost out to a very good and full strength side.

England unfortunately suffered injuries during the tournament and I think losing Mills was huge when you look at death bowling as England had it really until the 15th over when NZ were able to take advantage of an inexperienced death bowling line up.
Added in Stokes and Archer not being in the squad at all I think it’s a decent show.

Pakistan have arguably been the best team so far and you would fancy them to win today and then Sunday is a best on the day final as personally think there is very little between NZ and Pakistan.
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Re: 2021 World Cup T20
« Reply #309 on: November 11, 2021, 09:51:38 AM »
I do wonder if people's analysis would be the same if they watched the match without the commentary.
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Re: 2021 World Cup T20
« Reply #310 on: November 11, 2021, 10:23:38 AM »
I feel England is the only team in the world that pigeonholes the players. I dont see any other team mentioning about a specialist death bowler or a powerplay bowler. If a bowler is good enough, he should be able to bowl anytime during the innings.

Also, England's loss just proved the theory that toss is 50% of the match...if you lose the toss against a decent side and bat first, chances are that you are going down unless someone plays a blinder.
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Re: 2021 World Cup T20
« Reply #311 on: November 11, 2021, 10:32:48 AM »
Carlos Brathwaite said on the radio last night that his T20 batting actually went downhill when he stopped playing Test cricket and became a T20 specialist.
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Re: 2021 World Cup T20
« Reply #312 on: November 11, 2021, 10:35:47 AM »
New Zealand just get on with it.
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Re: 2021 World Cup T20
« Reply #313 on: November 11, 2021, 10:39:14 AM »
The game was over at 14 over and England had won it, only a phenominal performance by Mitchell and Needham took it away. I dont think anyone can be held to account for the loss.

Well done to NZ and good luck in the final.
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Re: 2021 World Cup T20
« Reply #314 on: November 11, 2021, 10:52:25 AM »
Agree everyone is going on about where England made a mistake.

Why not just accept it was one of those days where the New Zealand players delivered an exceptional performance.

England players can be proud of their performance. That's T20 for you.
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