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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #135 on: November 18, 2021, 08:08:19 PM »
Micheal Holding is worth  listening to if anyone has not heard his comments on historical social media messages.

As the ECB tripped over themselves to hang Robinson Holding talked a lot of sense at the time.

But yes….Rafiqs argument is diluted now, the more serious issue of predjudice because of the colour of someone’s skin remains and that needs more than just a slogan or t shirt to work.


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« Reply #136 on: November 18, 2021, 11:14:15 PM »
Azeem Rafiq has really shot himself in the foot here with the historic slurs against other cultures coming to light. Shame, as there really was some momentum starting to build for his plight.
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #137 on: November 19, 2021, 12:29:55 AM »
Quote from: ppccopener on November 18, 2021, 08:08:19 PM
Micheal Holding is worth  listening to if anyone has not heard his comments on historical social media messages.

As the ECB tripped over themselves to hang Robinson Holding talked a lot of sense at the time.

But yes….Rafiqs argument is diluted now, the more serious issue of predjudice because of the colour of someone’s skin remains and that needs more than just a slogan or t shirt to work.


Where is the best place to listen to him on this specific subject? Do you have a link please?


And agree with your second point.
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #138 on: November 19, 2021, 01:19:22 PM »
Quote from: SurreySam on November 18, 2021, 11:14:15 PM
Azeem Rafiq has really shot himself in the foot here with the historic slurs against other cultures coming to light. Shame, as there really was some momentum starting to build for his plight.

I think the bigger picture, which is what is needed rather than targeting individual players should be the focus.  With the comments he made toward Ballance, and the fact he has prior disciplinary actions (calling the Eng U19 a W on twitter), he probably didn't think he was going to come out totally unscathed, however, this has highlighted there is more a of behavioural culture throughout.

The drinking culture, which was huge in the 80s/90s (Boon and co. drinking records, etc.) and even Ballance in Aus last time he was there, for instance, really needs to change.  It could do with a Wenger-style change to those behaviours to truly make an impact.

It will not stop at Yorkshire, or even the ECB, it needs global focus to future-proof the sport. 

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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #139 on: January 11, 2022, 07:27:38 AM »
Has anyone seen that Sidebottom interview from today?  :o
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #140 on: January 11, 2022, 07:52:02 AM »
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #141 on: January 11, 2022, 07:53:23 AM »
Seen a short interview with Sidebottom saying he will be coaching with Harmison at Yorkshire.

You would think with most if not all sponsors leaving Yorkshire the ECB will need to fund them now and also for any potential court cases for unfair dismissal that may follow.

Certainly a big job to rebuild ahead

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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #142 on: January 11, 2022, 08:08:07 AM »
Quote from: golders on January 11, 2022, 07:52:02 AM
https://twitter.com/SkyCricket/status/1480551251465031680?t=MpcaqZUnn-xHbUk2Q5wc7A&s=19

 :o

Ah ok. Seen that again. He used the wrong word in forget which he has now apologised for.
Institutional racism has to be stamped out but I do think there needs to be some sort of latitude to move forward with every phrase picked to pieces on social media.

What happened to Rafiq was terrible but he was not whiter than white in the whole affair.

They need to be able to move forward now and hopefully they will.
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #143 on: January 11, 2022, 01:22:28 PM »
He used the #onon which Vaughan bleats in his every tweet. But yeah, at some point you have to move on..on
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #144 on: January 11, 2022, 09:08:57 PM »
Interviewer: "Did you hear anything?"

Sidebottom: "Not necessarily."

 You did or you didn't, Ryan.  :o

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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #145 on: January 11, 2022, 09:10:16 PM »
Mental that it looks like Yorkshire will come out of this pretty much unpunished. Disgusting when compared to the punishment that Durham were given by the ECB.
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #146 on: January 11, 2022, 09:47:02 PM »
They have lost all major sponsors, the whole coaching staff have been sacked and Test status has been withdrawn from them.
What would of been an appropriate punishment? A fine of points big enough to keep them in the lower division long term?
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #147 on: January 12, 2022, 08:06:43 AM »
Not sure what else could be thrown at the club, humiliation complete, but sure there are those who wish more
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #148 on: January 12, 2022, 08:09:27 AM »
Quote from: frontfootdrive2 on January 12, 2022, 08:06:43 AM
Not sure what else could be thrown at the club, humiliation complete, but sure there are those who wish more

I think there are quite a few who want Yorkshire to actually reform their club and the wider attitude within their county cricket structure. Don't forget that this all happened because they allowed discrimination and bullying to become acceptable.
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Re: Azeem Rafiq and Yorkshire CCC
« Reply #149 on: January 12, 2022, 10:25:52 AM »
Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on January 11, 2022, 09:08:57 PM
Interviewer: "Did you hear anything?"

Sidebottom: "Not necessarily."

 You did or you didn't, Ryan.  :o

I noticed that part or the interview too. Unbelievable  :o :( :o
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