Topic: Swing speed or bat volume (Read 10387 times)

Tom · « **Reply #30 on:** March 09, 2010, 10:22:10 PM »

For everyone there's an ideal weight where you don't lose too much on the size of the bat but you can swing the bat fastest.

Talisman · « **Reply #31 on:** March 10, 2010, 07:52:24 AM »

The problem with swing speed increase via a very low centre of gravity is that the pick up is terrible, this massive increase in time taken to pick up the bat counters and negates the speed swing increase. Then the problem is that unless you are coming straight down the change in direction is harder and therefore longer. My MMi3 is 2.13 dead weight but has a much heavier fell than my 3.1 match bat and is harder to play round the wicket with. If swing speed was a big factor in increased performance we would all be using 3lb+ bats, we don't as the multiple downsides to using a heavy bats outweigh the positive.

Bat mass is important as the lower density bats perform better than standard density.

keysersolze · « **Reply #32 on:** March 10, 2010, 07:55:54 AM »

I go for bat speed everytime as i find when a ball is coming at you from a fast bowler it can turn and move or swing etc in flight before or after the bounce so i prefer to have the necessary speed to get the bat onto the ball thus enableing a good defensive or oofensive shot.

norbs · « **Reply #33 on:** March 10, 2010, 09:55:27 AM »

Ok now you've have some views and opinions a great way to generate swing speeds is to lower the mass but that isnt necessarily mass in the hitting area.... So still a bit of a columdrum so carry on as you where

Tom · « **Reply #34 on:** March 10, 2010, 10:03:06 AM »

Quote from: Talisman on March 10, 2010, 07:52:24 AM

If swing speed was a big factor in increased performance we would all be using 3lb+ bats, we don't as the multiple downsides to using a heavy bats outweigh the positive..

That doesn't make sense to me, a heavier bat means slower swing speed so why would we want a heavier bat to get a quicker swing speed?

SillyShilly · « **Reply #35 on:** March 10, 2010, 10:09:01 AM »

Surely this is about each individual attaining an equillibrium between his size/style and the bat swing speed/weight - there cannot be one answer to this as it will differ between each person you ask. There may be a precise point on a graph which says this mass and this swing speed is most advantageous but i'm sure this is what we are already using as batmakers have been honing this balance for the last century or so.

Personally - i always favour a bat with a less mass and what for me feels like a quicker swing speed as a result.

Taken to extremes - i would always pick up the bat weighing 2lb because i know i can use it, whereas i know i cannot use a bat weighing 3lb 8.

norbs · « **Reply #36 on:** March 10, 2010, 10:11:06 AM »

Quote from: Tom on March 10, 2010, 10:03:06 AM

That doesn't make sense to me, a heavier bat means slower swing speed so why would we want a heavier bat to get a quicker swing speed?

Nope Tom, not disagreeing with you but, but I think I said a great way to generate swing speed is to lower the mass...

SillyShilly · « **Reply #37 on:** March 10, 2010, 10:13:47 AM »

PS - I prefer Norbs, that SAF fella was a little serious for my liking

norbs · « **Reply #38 on:** March 10, 2010, 10:15:27 AM »

Quote from: SillyShilly on March 10, 2010, 10:13:47 AM

PS - I prefer Norbs, that SAF fella was a little serious for my liking

Norbs has more questions then answers !!!!

Buzz · « **Reply #39 on:** March 10, 2010, 10:33:10 AM »

Norbs, welcome to the forum

oh

Surely if this question is aimed at creating the ultimate bat � we have a problem, which is different players hit the ball out of different areas of the bat � so to create the ultimate bat � there is no solution, without making something individually designed for the player � and you haven�t even mentioned the variable of the pitch yet (slow and low, two paced, variable bounce, or hard and bouncy...). Further, bat speed is dependent on the batsman, in the same way swing speed is in golf � so it is difficult to have a massive impact on that with a cricket bat, I have tried using a heavier bat and lighter bat and timing is the most important thing. Try comparing Tiger Woods to Ian Woosnam.

However, surely we are better looking at the type of bowling that you are trying to hit � given that variations of pace are coming into the game more than ever, as well as the continued prevalence of the yorker, you need a bat which you can manipulate the low full toss for four, or the miss judged slower ball into a gap for 2, whilst still being able to smash the real rubbish out of the ground.

Not sure I have been any help here. On that basis you should use the biggest bat you can comfortable control, so for some it will be a 3lbs railway sleeper, whilst for others it will be a 2lbs 6oz wand.

The key then must become the length of the middle and the rebound qualities (how well the bat is pressed) as well as the natural timing of the player. If we all had the natural timing of VVS then cricket would be a much easier game...

I am going to stop now as I have no real idea what I am talking about.

SillyShilly · « **Reply #40 on:** March 15, 2010, 12:23:49 PM »

Andy - anything to add to this, would be good to hear your opinion and the science behind it.

swamidude · « **Reply #41 on:** March 15, 2010, 12:35:44 PM »

I reckon it all depends on the batsman's mind. If you can judge a ball before it bounces (how it will deviate/bounce etc.) then you should go for the heavier bat, because if anything, you will almost certainly need to adjust only slightly.

If you prefer to leave it late, and take more time to assess the ball and pick your spot, then go for a lighter bat, so that the bat speed can be generated quicker, if a bit less than the heavier bat, but you'll be able to play it into the gap.
The bat speed will probably be only a little different; I think it depends on the strength and judgement of the batsman. There is probably no right or wrong answer, just personal preference/suitability.

Just my 2 pence.

Shiv

Buzz · « **Reply #42 on:** March 15, 2010, 12:46:41 PM »

Quote from: swamidude on March 15, 2010, 12:35:44 PM

I reckon it all depends on the batsman's mind. If you can judge a ball before it bounces (how it will deviate/bounce etc.) then you should go for the heavier bat, because if anything, you will almost certainly need to adjust only slightly.

If you prefer to leave it late, and take more time to assess the ball and pick your spot, then go for a lighter bat, so that the bat speed can be generated quicker, if a bit less than the heavier bat, but you'll be able to play it into the gap.
The bat speed will probably be only a little different; I think it depends on the strength and judgement of the batsman. There is probably no right or wrong answer, just personal preference/suitability.

Just my 2 pence.

Shiv

this is quite an interesting thought - because you could read this as a potential way for an out of form batsman to opt for a lighter bat to help him (or her) to recover form.
I also think confedence comes into it. Neither Hayden or Symonds have had the confidence to bring out the 'goose yet, so they have opted for something they are more used to.
It is also notable that the players that have the most success seem to still play orthodox shots - which suggests that the move too far away from the orthodox bat is a little unnecessary.
Looking forward to seeing the Black Cat Joker too...

peplow · « **Reply #43 on:** March 15, 2010, 02:34:21 PM »

When it comes down to it i'd rather i light bat that i could play with but maybe not hit it miles than a huge lump i could hardly lift but could potentially fly... But it is down to the player i suppose.

The question which do i think is scientifically better i'd have to go with bat speed, not sure why just seems to make sense.

100 not out · « **Reply #44 on:** March 15, 2010, 03:01:28 PM »

Momentum = Mass x Velocity

There is a point where (High Mass x Low Velocity) is equivalent to (Low Mass x High Velocity).

I think its all about controlling the blade of the bat. which one does for you is an another matter

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