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Who is making the best bat shapes at the moment?
« on: February 25, 2022, 10:22:58 AM »

I thought it would be interesting to see which bat shapes people are liking at the moment and who is making them?

I appreciate this may turn into a which firm has the best social media account... But still!

I really like the shapes the WCW bats are at the moment.

I think that is because I like the camber they are using on their press as well as the shapes and the toe shape.

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Re: Who is making the best bat shapes at the moment?
« Reply #1 on: February 25, 2022, 10:27:11 AM »

@Northern monkey at Oxfordshire makes some absolutely lovely shapes, always look really smooth and flow nicely, plus the Laver-esque toe on mine is a thing of beauty. On pure aesthetics, gets my vote.
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Re: Who is making the best bat shapes at the moment?
« Reply #2 on: February 25, 2022, 10:51:19 AM »

Personally love all the shapes I have seen from Scott cricket bats
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Re: Who is making the best bat shapes at the moment?
« Reply #3 on: February 25, 2022, 11:21:01 AM »

@Northern monkey at Oxfordshire makes some absolutely lovely shapes, always look really smooth and flow nicely, plus the Laver-esque toe on mine is a thing of beauty. On pure aesthetics, gets my vote.

Cheers, means a lot that Jimbo

Shape wise,,,most seem pretty similar at the moment, I presume due to the bat reg restrictions, which are ridiculous.
I’m still favouring the kohli ish shape/profile where possible, with a laver toe, which I love.
I’ve also started to move the peak spine slightly up the blade to help pick up,,,being based in Oxfordshire the wickets are low slow tracks, so I need to take that in to account when shaping bats for local players..

Be interesting to hear people’s thoughts on shapes/profiles

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Re: Who is making the best bat shapes at the moment?
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2022, 12:07:55 PM »

Personally love all the shapes I have seen from Scott cricket bats

Jonny does also make some very nice shapes, does the more modern-looking profiles really well - big edges, semi-flat toe, nice balance and lot of meat in the hitting area.
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Re: Who is making the best bat shapes at the moment?
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2022, 01:59:32 PM »

Big fan of the SS players and top of the line bats I see.
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Re: Who is making the best bat shapes at the moment?
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2022, 05:55:20 PM »

The GN Players shapes are pretty nice.

Most companies Players shapes are pretty good it's just what weight can us average punters get them in that matters.
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Re: Who is making the best bat shapes at the moment?
« Reply #7 on: February 26, 2022, 12:01:39 PM »

Not enough funky shapes around at the moment IMHO
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Re: Who is making the best bat shapes at the moment?
« Reply #8 on: February 26, 2022, 12:16:13 PM »

I would definitely like to see more interesting/unique shapes. With the bat restrictions now it makes them a lot harder to make though.
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Re: Who is making the best bat shapes at the moment?
« Reply #9 on: February 26, 2022, 02:52:53 PM »

Yeah, isn’t everyone basically making the same shapes, or variations of. Can’t remember the last bat I actually though of as ‘new’.
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Re: Who is making the best bat shapes at the moment?
« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2022, 06:22:35 PM »

Thanks @Jimbo and @King pair, really appreciate that. Great to hear that I'm doing something right! 😁

I hear what people are saying about new or funky shapes, but anything is possible if you go to an independent batmaker and tell them what you want. I've made copies of old bats, variations of traditional profiles and various other custom shapes (last week i made a bat for someone which was 94cm long!).

However, these are on request as funky shapes are by their nature pretty niche and tend not to have mass market appeal. No point bringing out a stock shape which is 'funky' and interesting, yet will only sell in low numbers. As i said tho, that's the beauty of getting a custom bat made
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Re: Who is making the best bat shapes at the moment?
« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2022, 11:12:51 PM »

Some lovely sticks on show but I can’t get my thought process away from the old school Newbery Mjolnir shape. A bat from my childhood that whenever I held it it felt right!! Any forum bat makers have one of those to copy?
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Re: Who is making the best bat shapes at the moment?
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2022, 10:34:32 PM »

Some lovely sticks on show but I can’t get my thought process away from the old school Newbery Mjolnir shape. A bat from my childhood that whenever I held it it felt right!! Any forum bat makers have one of those to copy?


@Giraffe208 I would highly recommend going to Robert Pack Cricket if you want a proper traditional profiled bat - or go for the Warsop Platinum. The reason why the traditional Mjolnir/Ballistic/JM Classic/Purist bats aren't readily available mainstream is because of the changes to a less rounded face and also because folks want big edges. Get a round faced traditional profiled bat with a good thickness handle, and you'll have that strength in the join, coupled with a really good balanced blade due to the wood being placed centrally and distributed evenly up and down the blade. You can't beat that.


Profiles are a funny one - I do find that stock shapes are kind of becoming a little more uniform across brands these days. Although people say the gauge has limited the profiles we see these days - has it really? Look at all the old Slazenger shapes, and how they had funny grooves, proper duckbilling etc. Only thing we see anywhere near this level of funkiness is Rashid's Camel bat - which really is incredible. I'd actually argue that it is because players all generally use a very similar shape, that the public will naturally want to use something that resembles what the pros are using.



I find Instagram so deceptive for profiles - specific angles accentuate certain features etc. Also, having a really nice set of stickers does help massively with selling bats - despite what folks say about ignoring the stickers. I think WCW have some of the best stickers for example - but I don't actually see much variety from them, just the duckbill convex mid profile. This could purely be because of Instagram angles, but could also just be because this is the shape that sells most for them.



I'm incredibly greedy, a bat glutton, so I have many profiles that I think just work. I'm gonna exclude any Players Grade stuff or any custom shapes - in terms of stock profiles that do spark interest that I've physically seen...

  • Scott - JS 170/175 - Profile just makes sense, puts the meat of the bat exactly where you want, with some concaving to keep the weight down and improve the balance, while maintaining a high spine and thick edge.
  • GN Aus - Cobra - Beautiful high spine throughout the bat and running into the toe, with a small amount of concaving
  • Warsop - Platinum - Traditional profile with the rounded face, and a thick oval handle. Strokemaker's dream.
  • Keeley - WORX 017 with a rounded face - High spine, mid middle, some concaving and the spine running into the toe. Interesting profile that marries what feels like a relic of the past with modern features.
  • B3 - Solum - Beautiful profile with that lower swell, and plenty of power in the blade
  • GM - Prima - Again with the spine flowing throughout the profile and a more modest edge with a thick shoulder - I do think they missed a trick by not making it a traditional length blade.


Of course, if you're including pro shapes, then H4L, Keeley, GM, GN Aus all have their fair share of really nice pro shaped bats.


Notable funky profiles:
  • B3 - Beluga - In response to the gauge. I had one pass through my hands, and it just felt a bit odd.
  • Keeley - Rashid Camel - Funky
  • BAS - Dolphin - Quite a unique duckbilling, even more aggressive than the Beluga


Little rant here:

I really dislike the bat gauge at times. I'd even go as far to argue that the gauge has done damage to batmakers displaying their skills because of folks just wanting bats to just fit through. It's become a ceiling to hit, rather than a guideline of 'if it fits through this, you're grand'. Spoke to a batmaker, who mentioned that the gauge he feels is flawed. You put Sachin's bat in a bathtub, and it would have displaced far more water than bats of today. Does that mean that we should discount all his achievements as he had achieved a fair bit of it using a bat that would be illegal today? Or do we accept that his skills were what earned him his 100 tons, and that his choice of bat worked because it felt like an extension of him?

Bring back the Thruxtons, the GTs, the B52s, the Mjolnirs, the Tours, the Purists, the Maxis, the Heroes, the Phoenix, the Powerbow, the Amplus, the Distinctions, the old BAS and SS shapes. Heck, look at the bat Gilchrist used to smash his 149 in the WC Final and his 57 ball ton in the Ashes - was a good sized bat back in the day, but would be considered a toothpick compared to the Player Editions of today!


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Re: Who is making the best bat shapes at the moment?
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2022, 08:44:55 AM »

Some lovely sticks on show but I can’t get my thought process away from the old school Newbery Mjolnir shape. A bat from my childhood that whenever I held it it felt right!! Any forum bat makers have one of those to copy?

A bat from my earlier cricket days too! I still have it, but have had to refurbish it as it was in such a bad state. At the risk of being banned forever, I'll admit that as a teenager with no woodwork skills or tools, I saved the inside edge by filling a dangerous-looking crack with car body filler as that's all I could find  :( Took me quite a bit of work recently to remove that, and try to do a proper job. Not sure I've completely fixed the delaminated face though.

Looking at it now, a big reason I think that the pick up feels so good is that mine is only 2 lbs 7.
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Re: Who is making the best bat shapes at the moment?
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2022, 08:54:29 AM »

This is a question and topic that I'm really interested in following, and is the reason that I found the forum in the first place. I'd been reading up on the physics of bat design, and realised that there were A LOT of interesting threads on here.

In teaching myself how to make bats over the last year or so, I've made some fairly strange shapes, and modelled how they should perfom. But I've only used 2 of them in a game or nets, and must admit, that I've left the weirder ones at home. In fact, I just converted my weirdest bat into a more convential shape. I guess if I was buying a bat, and it had a different shape, then I'd have to be convinced that it was going to be at least as good (however you define it) as normal shapes.

I have a few ideas for complicated (but legal) shapes that could be used on bats, and think that they would be interesting to test, but without a CNC I can't get close to making them. I'm trying at the moment by hand, and my Dremel skills are nowhere near up to it!
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