Topic: England vs West Indies series.... (Read 25941 times)

rickjames · « **Reply #60 on:** March 10, 2022, 05:07:38 PM »

Absolute gift from Joseph

Bungle · « **Reply #61 on:** March 10, 2022, 07:23:05 PM »

Well batted Bonner, haven't heard of him before but he's doing well here. Hopefully the tailenders don't pick up too many runs.

rickjames · « **Reply #62 on:** March 10, 2022, 07:55:51 PM »

This is so dire

ppccopener · « **Reply #63 on:** March 10, 2022, 08:15:22 PM »

This lead is looking more than handy. Pitch sounds flat from BBC text but we don�t absorb pressure well batting.

We really cannot bowl Stokes into the ground in this situation. Root or even Lawrence need to bowl, plus 130 overs in the field is a hefty workload

Bungle · « **Reply #64 on:** March 10, 2022, 10:15:33 PM »

Leach's stats are looking good, 43 overs, economy of 1.84. 20 maidens! Gonna have a look at the highlights shortly but he's doing something right.

SOULMAN1012 · « **Reply #65 on:** March 10, 2022, 11:03:01 PM »

Quote from: Bungle on March 10, 2022, 10:15:33 PM

Leach's stats are looking good, 43 overs, economy of 1.84. 20 maidens! Gonna have a look at the highlights shortly but he's doing something right.

He just needs to bowl and then be judged, unfair to criticise when he plays a test and then carries drinks, gets 12th man duty in England so misses county games so can go months without bowling in a game, hopefully he bowls 150 odd overs in this series and we can see how he goes when he plays on a regular basis.

On another note for all this talk of WI being a poor and brittle batting unit they have done quite well so far in this innings. Albeit this is a poor England attack that have bowled even worse for the large part.

alba caerulea · « **Reply #66 on:** March 10, 2022, 11:06:58 PM »

Learnt nothing new so far from this so called reboot

Overton and Woakes should only ever be considered on a green seamer. I could have told Root/Silverwood/Strauss that 5 years ago. Average speeds in the 70s is simply unacceptable.

Leach tidy but generally unthreatening, as you would expect for an orthodox finger spinner on an unhelpful pitch. Did a solid job for the team.

Stokes and Wood genuine threats but injury risks.

If the pitch is as flat as this for the 2nd Test id love to see Mahmood and Parkinson get a go. They will both present more of a wicket threat than the opening bowlers!

Well batted Bonner, patient and put the short ball away when it came. And also Kemar Roach who lasted nearly 100 deliveries - which was Joe Denlys target at 3 not too long ago.

Enjoyed the commentary from Butcher and Bishop particularly!

Thor Odin�s Son · « **Reply #67 on:** March 11, 2022, 10:40:45 AM »

Fair play to Bonner, played to his strengths and grinded the Poms down. Wood getting injury obviously didn�t help.

I thought Leach was poor. On a slow pitch you need to bowl quicker. He bowls too short and Bonner played him so easily off the back foot. Leach isn�t a big turner either. Not really got much going for him. Might be wise to study videos of Jadeja and Al Hasan to learn some new tricks.

JTtaylor145 · « **Reply #68 on:** March 11, 2022, 12:11:12 PM »

People are always better players when they are not in the side. The pitch is pretty lifeless. I thought the West Indies bowled well and moved the ball more than the English bowlers. The West Indies have also batted a bit better than the England side. I think we have to face the facts that we are a very ordinary test match side and that is emphasized even more so when we play away from home. Yesterday's play was very slow and would have turned the casual fan off from test match cricket. There really isn't much strength in depth when it comes to the England test match team. I was particularly cheesed off with Collingwood's summary at the end of the day when he praised how well we had fielded. We didn't bowl particularly well and the bowling was a much of a muchness, no imagination or creativity in what we did. Leach has bowled economically which is good but doesn't look threatening.

I think the whole test side and the domestic red ball game in England needs a bit of imagination. Despite a decline we still have people that want to play cricket in the U.K so why can't we develop fast bowlers and spinners, what is our coaching structure etc. Is the County system working or is it too rigid? Do we need less quantity and some more quality?

We are of course more competitive at home but how many of us really see us winning an away Ashes in the next 20 years?

Real Munson · « **Reply #69 on:** March 11, 2022, 01:11:32 PM »

I don't know what goes on with the coaching and producing fast bowlers. Kent used to produce plenty of their own good seamers (though not necessarily quick). Iggy was capped in 1989 - the next home grown capped seamer was Matt Coles.

I see people like Steffan Jones and Ian Pont actively developing fast bowlers (or trying to) - are they ever utilised by the ECB to help bring talent through?

India had no fast bowlers, so started their own pace foundation. Now they produce lots of decent quicks. Perhaps we need a dedicated fast bowling academy.

Warneymonster · « **Reply #70 on:** March 11, 2022, 02:20:59 PM »

im confused, we didnt appear to move the ball off straight for a a day and a half but Kemar Roach is hooping it from ball one?

Bungle · « **Reply #71 on:** March 11, 2022, 02:35:56 PM »

Quote from: Warneymonster on March 11, 2022, 02:20:59 PM

im confused, we didnt appear to move the ball off straight for a a day and a half but Kemar Roach is hooping it from ball one?

Because our opening bowlers are Chris Woakes (away from home) and Craig Overton. They just aren't opening bowlers.

adb club cricketer · « **Reply #72 on:** March 11, 2022, 03:27:52 PM »

Seeing Alex Lees lbw in both innings as well as the number of lbws in general lately, I recollect recent video from Hussain where it explains that the middle and off stump guards of modern batsmen causes more lbws in recent years - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehWkuHa2Jkw
Each has their own technique but taking leg stump guard was an old technique that worked for greats like Border, Viv Richards, Ponting and Sachin to name a few. Maybe it is easier to leave an outside off ball well from a leg stump guard than be able to avoid a lbw when covering the wickets and ball is swinging etc. Except for the one Hussain video, there aren't any other analyses on this very important part of technique. Would be good to see more analysis on this by the experts.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #73 on:** March 11, 2022, 04:07:22 PM »

Thing is, if it's straight and you miss it, you should be out either way?

Jimbo · « **Reply #74 on:** March 11, 2022, 04:14:22 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on March 11, 2022, 04:07:22 PM

Thing is, if it's straight and you miss it, you should be out either way?

True, but would the same player miss the same ball if they'd taken a different guard?

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