Topic: Joe Root steps down as skipper (Read 17536 times)

Buzz · « **Reply #30 on:** April 18, 2022, 12:04:30 PM »

Quote from: Bats_Entertainment on April 15, 2022, 07:30:29 PM

What qualifies him for this post?

Of the people who applied, by the end of the process he was the only one who hadn't dropped out.

I want to know why Marcus North dropped out personally.

Separately to Key.
I have a strong view that nobody who is leaving an organisation should be allowed to hire or be involved in the hiring process of a new member of staff.
In this instance, Harrison was involved and he is leaving plus Strauss is interim so also leaving.
Ultimately what should have happened here is the new chairman should have been appointed, then the CEO then the DOC.

It will be interesting to see who gets the CEO and Chairman roles.

golders · « **Reply #31 on:** April 18, 2022, 01:15:36 PM »

Quote from: Buzz on April 18, 2022, 12:04:30 PM

Of the people who applied, by the end of the process he was the only one who hadn't dropped out.

I want to know why Marcus North dropped out personally.

Separately to Key.
I have a strong view that nobody who is leaving an organisation should be allowed to hire or be involved in the hiring process of a new member of staff.
In this instance, Harrison was involved and he is leaving plus Strauss is interim so also leaving.
Ultimately what should have happened here is the new chairman should have been appointed, then the CEO then the DOC.

It will be interesting to see who gets the CEO and Chairman roles.

Sounds like a really efficient recruitment process!Is there a date yet for Harrison to leave? He can�t leave soon enough.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #32 on:** April 18, 2022, 08:21:09 PM »

Key replaces Strauss. I think Marcus North was up for the head coach role.

potzy248 · « **Reply #33 on:** April 18, 2022, 08:27:05 PM »

So when Stokes gets injured and misses entire tours what's the plan?
Also, he is hardly consistent himself. Don't get me wrong he is a great player on his day and will have the respect of everyone I just don't see his body holding out for much longer in Red ball cricket.

If Root was a bad captain for 5 years then thats also on the management of the entire team for not progressing him.

I think the whole thing is a shambles from an outsiders perspective. NZ did the same with Taylor but we had McCullum waiting in the wings to take us in a new direction.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #34 on:** April 18, 2022, 08:27:12 PM »

No, I correct myself. North was in the frame for managing director job.

golders · « **Reply #35 on:** April 18, 2022, 08:35:31 PM »

Quote from: potzy248 on April 18, 2022, 08:27:05 PM

So when Stokes gets injured and misses entire tours what's the plan?
Also, he is hardly consistent himself. Don't get me wrong he is a great player on his day and will have the respect of everyone I just don't see his body holding out for much longer in Red ball cricket.

If Root was a bad captain for 5 years then thats also on the management of the entire team for not progressing him.

I think the whole thing is a shambles from an outsiders perspective. NZ did the same with Taylor but we had McCullum waiting in the wings to take us in a new direction.

You make a lot of good points. At least if he�s skipper, you would hope he could manage his bowling workload a bit better than Root did- often over- bowling him. What happened with Ross Taylor and the captaincy- was there some kind of coup?
We have hardly had a consistent side especially batting wise, which is probably why Root has carried on for so long.
But yeah- total shambles. And meanwhile Butler has just smashed another ton in the IPL- so frustrating that he couldn�t translate this to the test arena, as by all accounts he has a good cricket brain.

jonny77 · « **Reply #36 on:** April 18, 2022, 09:06:42 PM »

Has Stokes said Root over bowled him? I've only seen quotes from Stokes thanking Root and praising him as captain.

Stokes for me isn't the answer as captain, but but sure who is tbf.

Twelfth Man · « **Reply #37 on:** April 18, 2022, 09:10:34 PM »

It worries me where we�re going to be come the summer. I only truly got into cricket around the time of the �05 Ashes. Have we ever been in such a predicament. Was this what it was like when Freddie skippered the 06/07 Ashes where we felt like he had to do it like we are with Stokes? Has there been a moment before where we don�t know who the next in line would be?

golders · « **Reply #38 on:** April 18, 2022, 09:15:04 PM »

Quote from: jonny77 on April 18, 2022, 09:06:42 PM

Has Stokes said Root over bowled him? I've only seen quotes from Stokes thanking Root and praising him as captain.

Stokes for me isn't the answer as captain, but but sure who is tbf.

No, it�s just my opinion that Root had a habit of over bowling fast bowlers, including Stokes. Stokes wouldn�t admit it out of loyalty.
And by the same token showed a complete lack of faith in spin bowlers. If you don�t rate them, don�t pick them.

jonny77 · « **Reply #39 on:** April 18, 2022, 09:34:46 PM »

Quote from: golders on April 18, 2022, 09:15:04 PM

No, it�s just my opinion that Root had a habit of over bowling fast bowlers, including Stokes. Stokes wouldn�t admit it out of loyalty.
And by the same token showed a complete lack of faith in spin bowlers. If you don�t rate them, don�t pick them.

Ah right, thought I'd missed it. Suppose only Root or Stokes could confirm this though for sure. I've said it before but i struggle to believe Stokes, Archer or whoever wouldn't say if they felt they were being over bowled to the point of becoming injured personally.

We've struggled for a class spinner since Swann tbf, but you've got to try some i suppose. I take your point tho, but it's not just Root picking the team either.

potzy248 · « **Reply #40 on:** April 18, 2022, 10:10:17 PM »

Quote from: golders on April 18, 2022, 08:35:31 PM

You make a lot of good points. At least if he�s skipper, you would hope he could manage his bowling workload a bit better than Root did- often over- bowling him. What happened with Ross Taylor and the captaincy- was there some kind of coup?
We have hardly had a consistent side especially batting wise, which is probably why Root has carried on for so long.
But yeah- total shambles. And meanwhile Butler has just smashed another ton in the IPL- so frustrating that he couldn�t translate this to the test arena, as by all accounts he has a good cricket brain.

When Hesson took over he and McCullum took the captaincy from Taylor. Long story short the team was split with supporters of Taylor and McCullum but Hesson like McCullum from his time with Otago. The country was up in arms with the decision and called for Hesson's and McCullums heads...10 years later it has been the most prosperous time for NZC.

SD · « **Reply #41 on:** April 18, 2022, 11:59:45 PM »

Quote from: Buzz on April 18, 2022, 12:04:30 PM

Of the people who applied, by the end of the process he was the only one who hadn't dropped out.

I want to know why Marcus North dropped out personally.

Separately to Key.
I have a strong view that nobody who is leaving an organisation should be allowed to hire or be involved in the hiring process of a new member of staff.
In this instance, Harrison was involved and he is leaving plus Strauss is interim so also leaving.
Ultimately what should have happened here is the new chairman should have been appointed, then the CEO then the DOC.

It will be interesting to see who gets the CEO and Chairman roles.

Is the timing not a problem in this case? I wasn't aware that Harrison is even confirmed to be leaving yet and a Chair seems unlikely to be appointed before May. I am not sure the side can go into the international summer without a DOC, head coach or captain.

SLA · « **Reply #42 on:** April 19, 2022, 12:54:54 PM »

Was Root ever actually taught how to be a test captain at any point? He didn't really have any previous experience of, eg, captaining a county team, and he played in a team under Cook, who was also a crap tactician.

I feel like its a bit harsh to criticise him.

Buzz · « **Reply #43 on:** April 19, 2022, 05:30:22 PM »

Quote from: SD on April 18, 2022, 11:59:45 PM

Is the timing not a problem in this case? I wasn't aware that Harrison is even confirmed to be leaving yet and a Chair seems unlikely to be appointed before May. I am not sure the side can go into the international summer without a DOC, head coach or captain.

Sure, if there was a chairman, Harrison would have been sacked a while ago... 😂
The man has piffled the ECBs �70 million of reserves up the wall and trashed our cricket with it. What a legacy.

crystalmais · « **Reply #44 on:** April 26, 2022, 12:38:45 PM »

Quote from: Buzz on April 19, 2022, 05:30:22 PM

Sure, if there was a chairman, Harrison would have been sacked a while ago... 😂
The man has piffled the ECBs �70 million of reserves up the wall and trashed our cricket with it. What a legacy.

I have met some people who have been employed at the ECB during his tenure - he's destroyed the organisation is their opinion. Strauss made a mess of the Coach Education Programme by bringing in John Neale back in 2017 who totally changed the programme

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