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Re: World Class Willow
« Reply #30 on: June 02, 2022, 09:32:54 AM »

Basically brands can charge what they want. If it’s too little or too much they won’t last long.

Whether each one offers value for money or not is up to us to argue about, as always.
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Re: World Class Willow
« Reply #31 on: June 02, 2022, 10:25:36 AM »

Bloody cheek of Tesla.

I’m fuming.

Why aren’t they much cheaper

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Re: World Class Willow
« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2022, 11:47:24 AM »

This is the same for many things though. Car brands, fashion, watches. These brands have a long history and even though some newer brands make similar products these brands still command a higher price. I don't think KIA would be having a go at Ferrari (Not to say your amazing bats are KIA in this example  :D).

@Kulli I think was also saying this.

Understood and hope you didn't take offence. I wasn't being argumentative, was genuinely trying to understand. I agree with some points and think you're making the same point, in that it's people's perceptions but it shouldn't be.

However, not sure the car analogy works here. A Ferrari is a very different product to Kia, yes they're both essentially cars but at very different ends of the spectrum. A bit like saying you can live in a 1 bed bungalow, so it's the same as a 20 bed mansion in the Hollywood Hills.

Essentially batmakers use (or should) very similar components, a willow cleft and a cane handle. The end results in terms of product have to be similar also in terms of look etc. Yes experience in balancing/shaping, pressing etc will come into it, but does it mean someone relatively new to the game can't produce great quality and therefore charge for it? I just don't get that the people who have served more time, have a history get to charge more and those who haven't can't.

I'd actually argue that the more history and bigger you get means you maybe go down a more production led route, rather than a more bespoke route. Pressing bats at a set level, less detail on finishing etc and even outsourcing production. Not saying this is any particular brand or that it's every larger brand, just saying does experience, heritage and history equal a better end product?

For me, its quality of product which matters and should determine what anyone is willing to pay.

 It it was down to history and heritage, then not many could charge more than Slazenger! 😂
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Re: World Class Willow
« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2022, 12:30:37 PM »

Understood and hope you didn't take offence. I wasn't being argumentative, was genuinely trying to understand. I agree with some points and think you're making the same point, in that it's people's perceptions but it shouldn't be.

However, not sure the car analogy works here. A Ferrari is a very different product to Kia, yes they're both essentially cars but at very different ends of the spectrum. A bit like saying you can live in a 1 bed bungalow, so it's the same as a 20 bed mansion in the Hollywood Hills.

Essentially batmakers use (or should) very similar components, a willow cleft and a cane handle. The end results in terms of product have to be similar also in terms of look etc. Yes experience in balancing/shaping, pressing etc will come into it, but does it mean someone relatively new to the game can't produce great quality and therefore charge for it? I just don't get that the people who have served more time, have a history get to charge more and those who haven't can't.

I'd actually argue that the more history and bigger you get means you maybe go down a more production led route, rather than a more bespoke route. Pressing bats at a set level, less detail on finishing etc and even outsourcing production. Not saying this is any particular brand or that it's every larger brand, just saying does experience, heritage and history equal a better end product?

For me, its quality of product which matters and should determine what anyone is willing to pay.

 It it was down to history and heritage, then not many could charge more than Slazenger! 😂

I think we are on the same page. It's just how the world is.

It's like Louis Vuitton making a leather bag and me making a leather bag. If our quality and product is the same why shouldn't I get Louis Vuitton prices?

Why should Salix charge more than you? Doesn't make sense but it also makes sense...
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Re: World Class Willow
« Reply #34 on: June 02, 2022, 09:24:18 PM »

Is this the guy that had a falling out with a certain batmaker that makes bats heavier than you asked for?

Anyone know what happened? Just feeling nosy and gossipy!!

Yes, said purveyor of bats heavier than the customer orders had a real temper tantrum after someone keen to learn as much as possible about the cricket bat making industry decided to start his own cricket bat making business which has proven to be much more successful

Not sure that heritage alone can justify higher pricing. I would rather pay more to a new company that produces great bats now rather than long standing companies like M&H or Newbery trading off what they were in the past rather than what they are now
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Re: World Class Willow
« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2022, 10:06:58 AM »

Bought a WCW Orca from Talent Cricket, will report back!
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Re: World Class Willow
« Reply #36 on: July 08, 2022, 02:14:32 PM »

Bought a WCW Orca from Talent Cricket, will report back!

Any feedback?  Eldest son is keen to buy one - the marketing works on the younger generation as all my U15 team want one!  Personally feel better value for money could be found elsewhere and on this forum - that said not had one in my hand.
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