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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #60 on: October 12, 2022, 08:46:34 PM »

Not sure it would be a 606. I personally don't mind heartwood and it would be whatever the willow supplier sent it as
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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #61 on: October 12, 2022, 08:53:48 PM »

Without sounding rude to the batmaker as buzz has mentioned what he is doing is brave and commended in todays climate

I hope he does extremely well in his new venture

However the bat is listed as a grade 1 and ya agree it may pass as a grade 3

My own opinion would be to put it as a G2 but I have very certainly owned G1 bats from larger, longer established brands that have this sort of marking.

Also relevant, it looks quite big for the weight (and the reason for sale is given as being too light for the intended customer).  In the pre-bat regs days I don't remember density being spoken about to any great extent. Weight was the big factor. Now there is an expectation of size at any given weight. It puts a big price tag on lower density
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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #62 on: October 12, 2022, 09:10:47 PM »

In terms of GM without being specific about which bat grades where

They always downgrade heartwood or used to anyway

There have been some very nice bats in 606 and signature range and you can even get some clean 5-6 Grainers if you’re lucky

Things may have changed now as willow is more scarce

Will be interesting what comes out this year

I would go Keeley anyway versus wcw
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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #63 on: October 12, 2022, 09:32:20 PM »

Pretty much proving the point about grading being subjective. You may think they're very nice, but some won't like heartwood. Like i said above, you still get very nice G2s and G3s. As well as some G1s which aren't as nice as other G1s maybe.

606 is their G3, so not really that unusual to get a decent looking bit of willow in that grade
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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #64 on: October 13, 2022, 07:22:05 AM »

Going off topic but what would you guys grade a bat which is 50 percent heartwood

Same as with Jonny for me, it just depends on the cleft. If it's still a stunner then there's nothing stopping it being a top grade for me. I might not be a fan personally but I know a lot of people are - end of the day it's what the customer wants, not me.
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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #65 on: October 13, 2022, 05:42:24 PM »

Sheesh, this thread has taken tonnes of twists and turns, from questioning the credentials of batmakers, their grading system etc etc. As they say, proof is in the pudding - if they're making an excellent bat, does it matter if they've had 5 or 40 years of experience? Not really, but the experience definitely will help in the long run with the batmaker turning a below average piece of willow into a good bat - which will give me a bit more confidence if buying blind. If you're not sure, don't buy unless you're just curious. No doubt some of the info shared has both helped and also not helped you at all with deciding @addu84 .

If you're set on either WCW or Keeley, I've not heard many bad things from either. One is quite a new player on the scene, who hasn't served any apprenticeships or anything like that, but can clearly make a pretty good bat. The other has a track record unlike any other really in the UK, and has been making bats for 40 odd years. The WCW stickers are excellent, stand out and probably some of the best in the market - and they seem to be able to press very well too. However for me personally, I'd choose Keeley, but I have visited them and am biased to a degree, as I've really enjoyed my visits and they've always been good to me. I've just found the finish better, the overall product presentation is more to my taste in terms of shaping and finishing, and I guess since I've used one to some degree of success, I'd be more inclined to go with Keeley if I were to suddenly run out of bats and was picking between these two.

As with the selling point mentioned of WCW processing their own willow - Keeley, H4L, Kippax and others also do the same. Some companies like B3 buy in A LOT of willow, so naturally will be getting in a fair bit of really nice willow. If you're after a bat with a thicker handle, then the bats I've had from both Keeley and the one WCW I've had seem to have handles on the skinnier side - this is probably one of the most important things about picking a bat, so would recommend either going for another brand, or contacting the batmakers and telling them what you want if you're dead set on the 2 brands. Another thing I'd recommend is get it sorted now when things are quieter, and before the willow price increase comes into play!
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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #66 on: October 13, 2022, 06:49:08 PM »

Good read above

But as long as one is polite without any hidden agenda  I don’t think there’s any issue discussing the factors above ref grading etc amongst other stuff

It beats the forum being dead which it was for days on end in the summer .
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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #67 on: October 13, 2022, 07:16:22 PM »

I’m just chuckling at the idea @Chad may ever run out of bats 😆
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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #68 on: October 14, 2022, 10:16:06 AM »

@Chad and all fellow members - many thanks for your advice. I have decided to go with Keeley. I will share the pictures once I receive the bat.

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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #69 on: October 14, 2022, 05:20:24 PM »

Did you have any preferences in terms of what you ordered addu ?
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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #70 on: October 14, 2022, 07:59:42 PM »

Under 2.10, thick handle, Kohli profile. Simples :-)
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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #71 on: October 14, 2022, 08:06:53 PM »

Under 2.10, thick handle, Kohli profile. Simples :-)


What grade did you end up going for out of interest?
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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #72 on: November 29, 2022, 01:07:42 PM »

Bought a Keeley off eBay for ~245. Yet to receive the bat, the bloke who sold listed it as "Keeley Worx cricket bat, 2lbs 11ozs - lovely bat which I’m told was meant for a Durham CCC sponsored player. Feels great in hand, just a little bit too light for me unfortunately. Sounds great on the mallet, it really pings."

Let me know what you guys think, this is my first Keeley. (not able to post pics, listing attached)

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Keeley-Worx-cricket-bat-/295353142877?nma=true&si=Uo1B35DADVZsI7s0Mc6ehU6nIio%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557
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Re: Keeley vs WCW
« Reply #73 on: November 29, 2022, 01:31:30 PM »

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