Modern trends, pro's, cons and where it's going next?
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Re: Moderm trends, pro's, cons and where it's going next?
« Reply #15 on: November 30, 2022, 10:41:55 AM »

In my opinion smaller bat makers don't have the drying capacity like bigger manufacturers do, especially in the UK and they can't make decent spec bats in a large volume. Yes cheaper handles and a bit of narrowing is common these days but Keeley does narrowing on international player bats too, so i don't think its a huge deal. Most people on here, and in general don't have the patience or time for a small harder pressed bat to open up taking months. Imagine having to face 2000+ balls to open up a bat and get it close to match ready. Players who are playing longer formats, I suppose they don't necessarily need a 'big' bat because there's no need to score runs at 130+ SR but majority are playing shorter formats and prefer the bigger bats and the confidence it brings. If bigger bats didn't have an advantage(to a certain extent of course) you wouldn't see almost all top players using max spec bats.

Interesting. Who are you talking about @Ajdal when you mention drying capacity? Are you saying GM, GN, Keeley are drying willow out more than others as they have the ability to do so? Most smaller makers as you say won't have drying facilities, but the willow they receive will be dried to an industry standard by the willow supplier generally?

In terms of your point on the Pro's. Give me a gauge filler and a central contract then! 😆 Joking aside, I agree it maybe a visual thing obviously to breed confidence. However, imo the big difference between the pro's and us is more on talent, ability, skillset, practice, strength and conditioning rather than the bats. Certainly that's the view of the ones I've spoken with. The game and there players have changed, but people were still hitting bombs with toothpicks back in the day.

The guy who hits the biggest and and more consistently at my club used to use a 30mm edge bat which was 2lbs 7oz and hit it a long way. He bought a bat from me at the start of last season too, hit a ton with it in 40 odd balls within the first month of having it. Some huge hits too. Not sure he'd faced 2000 balls before then or not, but highly doubt it. I used a few brands before i started making my own and never found any bst ever needed that amount of time personally, but that's just my experience. I appreciate everyone is different.

I just worry as @Jimbo mentioned, that there is this throw away mentality in society maybe. Which you'd think isn't sustainable long term, environmentally or economically. Unless we find an alternative raw material, then cricket bats will change beyond what we know now completely.
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Re: Moderm trends, pro's, cons and where it's going next?
« Reply #16 on: November 30, 2022, 10:43:43 AM »

@jonny77  Jonny, I buy a lot of bats as you know. To be perfectly honest to answer your question I couldn't care less about specs on a bat. If the bat had 20mm edges and 59mm spine and pinged like crazy that's all I care about. I care more about handle shape and size and pick up. As long as the bat performs that is the only criteria.

JT

Agree mate. If it pings, feels good, picks up well and will give you enough use, imo are the key points.
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Re: Moderm trends, pro's, cons and where it's going next?
« Reply #17 on: November 30, 2022, 10:46:38 AM »

The Brava is a flat face right? To allow for bigger edges.

EDIT - I agree with the directions Jonny is going towards above, but that said I still want unicorn bats when I buy a new one, but that's likely just the forums influence!

Do you think that's based on them performing better factually, anecdotally, them inspiring onfidence in you or as you say, more down to conditioning?
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Re: Moderm trends, pro's, cons and where it's going next?
« Reply #18 on: November 30, 2022, 10:48:19 AM »

Away from bat shapes and trends.

I think a huge selling point and positive is companies that offer Klarna or similar. With costs rising as mentioned to the idea to pay stuff off monthly rather than in one go is very appealing.
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Re: Moderm trends, pro's, cons and where it's going next?
« Reply #19 on: November 30, 2022, 10:53:05 AM »

Away from bat shapes and trends.

I think a huge selling point and positive is companies that offer Klarna or similar. With costs rising as mentioned to the idea to pay stuff off monthly rather than in one go is very appealing.

Definitely encouraged me to buy a few bats I probably (read 'definitely') didn't need. My club has started offering staggered membership payment to account for much the same issue, being able to spread the cost is huge for some people.
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« Reply #20 on: November 30, 2022, 10:56:12 AM »

Away from bat shapes and trends.

I think a huge selling point and positive is companies that offer Klarna or similar. With costs rising as mentioned to the idea to pay stuff off monthly rather than in one go is very appealing.

Agree mate. I see a few people opting for this method which i offer on the website. Paypal to credit options too. Kit is expensive, so ot certainly helps.
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« Reply #21 on: November 30, 2022, 11:09:20 AM »

I don’t know if it costs companies to offer this service but it would certainly open doors to a lot more business in my opinion. Rob @ six sixes does it and now you’ve said so, mate.
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« Reply #22 on: November 30, 2022, 11:21:09 AM »

It does cost. You pay a percentage of the sale amount, rather than the customer. It brings in some sales you'd maybe not get though and isn't a huge amount. Same with a pos card reader tho, everything costs the business generally mate! 😆
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Re: Moderm trends, pro's, cons and where it's going next?
« Reply #23 on: November 30, 2022, 11:23:09 AM »

I don’t know if it costs companies to offer this service but it would certainly open doors to a lot more business in my opinion. Rob @ six sixes does it and now you’ve said so, mate.

It does cost more to have a payment plan option, I used to have Laybuy installed on my site which works much the same as Klarna and other providers (usually costs an extra % or 2 compared to usual fees).

Having had a very financial based background from my degree/employment, I don't necessarily agree with these products and morally it's something I've always been torn on as encouraging people to take out credit to pay for something they don't necessarily need isn't sound advice. It's proven that people generally spend more spreading it out over 3 months, which whilst commercially is probably seen as a positive for some, for me it doesn't sit right as it's then people spending more money than they actually have available - especially when it involves actually having a credit check on your file for something so menial (especially when just buying a lower grade bat for example is still more than sufficient for their needs).

I've actually removed the option from the website recently as I was only getting a very limited % of orders through Laybuy and as above it just didn't sit right with me in the current climate - there's also pretty strict guidelines around advertising these 'buy now, pay later' schemes coming into force so it could become a sticky issue legally in the months to come for anyone actively promoting them without following the guidelines (as if cricket needs anymore legal issues at the moment!! :D)

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Re: Moderm trends, pro's, cons and where it's going next?
« Reply #24 on: November 30, 2022, 11:58:37 AM »

It does cost more to have a payment plan option, I used to have Laybuy installed on my site which works much the same as Klarna and other providers (usually costs an extra % or 2 compared to usual fees).

Having had a very financial based background from my degree/employment, I don't necessarily agree with these products and morally it's something I've always been torn on as encouraging people to take out credit to pay for something they don't necessarily need isn't sound advice. It's proven that people generally spend more spreading it out over 3 months, which whilst commercially is probably seen as a positive for some, for me it doesn't sit right as it's then people spending more money than they actually have available - especially when it involves actually having a credit check on your file for something so menial (especially when just buying a lower grade bat for example is still more than sufficient for their needs).

I've actually removed the option from the website recently as I was only getting a very limited % of orders through Laybuy and as above it just didn't sit right with me in the current climate - there's also pretty strict guidelines around advertising these 'buy now, pay later' schemes coming into force so it could become a sticky issue legally in the months to come for anyone actively promoting them without following the guidelines (as if cricket needs anymore legal issues at the moment!! :D)

Understand where you're coming from here mate, but personally I feel we're not selling something which is unethical or addictive (for most anyway! 😆), so sits ok with me.

 I try and set my prices to be reasonable and offer value too, so most of my sales are outright purchase. However, i also understand for some it's easier to spread that cost and as its not thousands, as in for a car etc then I'm ok with it morally. People are adults, so you have to trust they're being responsible and not over stretching themselves.
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Re: Moderm trends, pro's, cons and where it's going next?
« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2022, 12:10:17 PM »

I would say a very small minority , 1-2% of customers worry about edge size etc... Most customers will have a set price in mind of what they are looking to spend and buy accordingly.

Biggest issue is the rising costs, especially cost of entry level pads and gloves for juniors. i think most clubs will go back to kit bags .

 

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Re: Moderm trends, pro's, cons and where it's going next?
« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2022, 12:19:47 PM »

I would say a very small minority , 1-2% of customers worry about edge size etc... Most customers will have a set price in mind of what they are looking to spend and buy accordingly.

Biggest issue is the rising costs, especially cost of entry level pads and gloves for juniors. i think most clubs will go back to kit bags .

Maybe that 1 - 2% just come direct then mate 😆 Agree tho, the rising costs were part of my initial post. Concerning the costs rising and how often people will have to buy due to quality. Juniors especially grow quickly too, so changes to kit often. I've not even looked at junior kit now, but was going to offer it this year. Difficult now tho.
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Re: Moderm trends, pro's, cons and where it's going next?
« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2022, 12:20:07 PM »

I would say a very small minority , 1-2% of customers worry about edge size etc... Most customers will have a set price in mind of what they are looking to spend and buy accordingly.

Biggest issue is the rising costs, especially cost of entry level pads and gloves for juniors. i think most clubs will go back to kit bags .

Maybe that 1 - 2% just come direct then mate 😆 Agree tho, the rising costs were part of my initial post. Concerning the costs rising and how often people will have to buy due to quality. Juniors especially grow quickly too, so changes to kit often. I've not even looked at junior kit now, but was going to offer it this year. Difficult now tho.
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Re: Moderm trends, pro's, cons and where it's going next?
« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2022, 12:49:18 PM »

I don't post much on here but yes cost are going up as in every thing .. and all I would say big brands have to charge more few things they have huge over heads lots of wages to pay for staff and pros .. unlike me I just have me to pay so I can see why .. you pay your money take your pick

The bigger brands' prices are higher to accommodate margins for retailers (as well as their overheads you mention Dean) that will sell the vast majority of their volumes, I've had to explain this process to a few people who have approached me to stock kit on @The Cricket Boutique

Buying direct from a smaller brand will provide you with a cheaper product at prob the same grade but to get into the volumes of GN/GM/Kook etc then you need to be stocked widely and have a suitable margin for retailers to make a profit to survive too.

I actually commented on a linkedin post from SG about the fact bat design has changed now vs 15 years ago, a hard-pressed bat with 20mm edges would last years. Now bats are said to last 1000 runs which quite a few players bang in a season. This turnover of bats means more willow is needed as they dont last as long, trees only grow at a certain speed which is driving up demand and brands cant get hold of it quickly enough. This means the supply and demand model takes hold and prices increase, trees cost more, clefts cost more = bats cost more.

10 years ago I could list 10 bats on here and sell them within a day as people were obsessed with edge size over anything else. They came from a very good supplier and were well made and priced but the first PM I had was always concerning edge size. Thankfully that phase seems to have passed now and the focus has shifted to the quality of how the bats pressed as the main priority and ping videos!!!.


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Re: Moderm trends, pro's, cons and where it's going next?
« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2022, 01:02:52 PM »

Do you tend to find though bats last well past 1000 runs … majority I guess struggle to score that much in 3 seasons

How many runs do your bats last .. I would expect mine to be at least 2000 that may involve some issues with cracks refurbs ..
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