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rickjames

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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #105 on: December 17, 2022, 09:37:20 AM »
Root absolutely burgles one

Terrible cricket all round
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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #106 on: December 17, 2022, 09:38:19 AM »
It’s the same in club cricket

Some can take the pressure, some can’t regardless of ability
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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #107 on: December 17, 2022, 10:38:54 AM »
Now thats a law I didn't know with the runout. Learn something new every day
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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #108 on: December 17, 2022, 11:00:17 AM »
Rehan has outbowled leach so far
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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #109 on: December 17, 2022, 11:03:45 AM »
Glad I have been proved right about rehan today !!
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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #110 on: December 17, 2022, 11:05:20 AM »
Early days and I still don't see him playing in the summer over Leach, but he's looked good in this second spell after some pretty poor stuff the first time round
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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #111 on: December 17, 2022, 11:13:43 AM »
Quote from: alba caerulea on December 17, 2022, 09:23:44 AM
Both of those things depend on the character of the players in question and their influences.

That's a fair point, although from his first 5 overs you'd have to say that Ahmed was definitely feeling his nerves on debut.

Settled down very promisingly since then and he's done what you expect a wrist spinner to do on a flat track by extracting more turn than the finger spinner.
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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #112 on: December 17, 2022, 11:15:38 AM »
Within 18 months he will be englands main spinner if stokes and callum are there
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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #113 on: December 17, 2022, 11:44:43 AM »
Quote from: Jimbo on December 17, 2022, 11:13:43 AM
That's a fair point, although from his first 5 overs you'd have to say that Ahmed was definitely feeling his nerves on debut.

Settled down very promisingly since then and he's done what you expect a wrist spinner to do on a flat track by extracting more turn than the finger spinner.

I think you'd feel nerves on Test debut whether you were 18 or 30.

For what its worth im certainly not in the anti-Leach brigade and think he does a valuable if limited job for England. I think I'm correct in saying that at the beginning of 2022 his career Test average was lower that Nathan Lyons.

However on this occasion thought it was perfect to give the debut to Rehan Ahmed whos potential ceiling is considerably higher than Leaches. And in any case this is Karachi - pick as many spinners as you like!
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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #114 on: December 17, 2022, 11:49:26 AM »
Ahmed definitely fits the mould of how Stokes and McCullum want England to play.

Would offer more with the bat than Leach and obviously a more attacking option with the ball, but I don't think it's for nothing that Leach has retained his place under Stokes and McCullum.

As you say, he does a valuable job, and he's looked a much more effective option with a skipper who's willing to treat him as a wicket taker rather than a holding bowler.
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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #115 on: December 17, 2022, 12:11:36 PM »
Some crackers from Leach at the end there
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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #116 on: December 17, 2022, 12:13:11 PM »
Quote from: rickjames on December 17, 2022, 12:11:36 PM
Some crackers from Leach at the end there

Amazing stuff from a 'poor bowler who should've been dropped ages ago' 😂
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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #117 on: December 17, 2022, 12:58:34 PM »
We’ll see what happens to leach in 18 months

Rehan will offer everything and much more by then
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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #118 on: December 17, 2022, 02:01:38 PM »
Quote from: Thamesvalley on December 17, 2022, 11:00:17 AM
Rehan has outbowled leach so far

Enjoyed watching him bowl today. For an 18 year old on debut he bowled superbly and was much more threatening against the top order than Leach.  Certainly justified his selection
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Re: Pakistan v England Test Series 2022
« Reply #119 on: December 17, 2022, 02:03:07 PM »
In the uk and cricket we certainly are negative some ppl

It was evident he would do well
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