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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #45 on: February 24, 2023, 08:19:30 AM »

Blimey. Loathe to big up any young players too much but it seems @Manormanic was right about Brook.

I would not want him moving anywhere from the middle myself which does present a problem when Bairstow is fit.

Also want Foakes in the side. Been down the route of Bairstow opening I suppose he could and in Bazball extreme mode tee off from the top.

That won’t work I don’t think but England seem totally fearless these days

I agree Foakes should stay in, big chances need to be taken in big games and he balances the batting order nicely. Probably averages more than crawley and duckett aswell!
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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #46 on: February 24, 2023, 08:26:48 AM »

I have to keep reminding myself this is Harry Brooks SIXTH test match……..
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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #47 on: February 24, 2023, 08:38:46 AM »

Is it out of the equation that Stokes, selfless as he is, puts himself in at the top and Bairstow comes in at 6? Left Field I know but not much about this regime has been from the text book so far

He has less experience opening than JB for sure but knowing Bairstows history of being shuffled around the order this would be the ultimate act of leadership and man management. He doesnt bowl alot anymore so I dont see that being a factor

He could re-write the Art of Captaincy.

Stokes is already rewriting the Art of Captaincy. And yes no one should be at all surprised if Stokes opens the batting so Bairstow can bat at 6.
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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #48 on: February 24, 2023, 09:09:40 AM »

Stokes definitely has the technique against pace bowling to do it. Wasn't so long ago one of the Wisden writers was suggesting Stokes bat 3 for much the same reason.
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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #49 on: February 24, 2023, 09:10:21 AM »

Also, at his current rate of 6 hitting, Brook will go past Stokes current record in his 59th innings. Absolute monster.
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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #50 on: February 24, 2023, 10:49:46 AM »

Stokes is already rewriting the Art of Captaincy. And yes no one should be at all surprised if Stokes opens the batting so Bairstow can bat at 6.

Whether it will be Stokes I couldn't say - I still wonder if Foakes might be given the job - but certainly Stokes' England get the idea that you pick your best players and then worry about which order they bat afterward.
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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #51 on: February 24, 2023, 11:32:04 AM »

Foakes isn't as good as Stokes (or Bairstow for that matter) against the quicker bowlers. He's not bad by any means but I don't know if I'd expose him to the quicks at their freshest and quickest if it could be helped.
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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #52 on: February 24, 2023, 12:09:47 PM »

Foakes under the new regime of Stokes/McCullum

393 runs @ 43.6, 1 100s, 3 50s.

Plus with his keeping (he is miles ahead of the other candidates) I just find the idea of dropping him to accomodate elsewhere a bit...mad? More often that not he's been the guy at the other end in those chases, just doing his thing.
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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #53 on: February 24, 2023, 01:19:52 PM »

Foakes under the new regime of Stokes/McCullum

393 runs @ 43.6, 1 100s, 3 50s.

Plus with his keeping (he is miles ahead of the other candidates) I just find the idea of dropping him to accomodate elsewhere a bit...mad? More often that not he's been the guy at the other end in those chases, just doing his thing.

I'd agree, he's earned his place. Then again, since May 2022, Bairstow has scored 681 in 11 innings at 75.66, with 4 tons and a 50. Sr of 96. Surely you've got to find a place for him? Crawley can't go on much longer, so why not try Stokes or Bairstow up top instead of dropping Foakes? This England team isn't against radical thinking and going against tradition. Plus, Crawley isn't exactly doing a traditional openers job either

As Bairstow has been out and Stokes has been playing, you'd think Stokes could work better, but with the captaincy and if he's bowling it may be a bit much to ask. Stick Bairstow at 2 i say, it'll be a fun watch regardless!
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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #54 on: February 24, 2023, 02:11:44 PM »

Duckett and Bairstow teeing off early doors against Starc, Hazelwood and Cummins sounds like absolutely unmissable cricket.
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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #55 on: February 24, 2023, 02:14:36 PM »

Just anyone other than Crawley I'd take
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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #56 on: February 24, 2023, 03:00:31 PM »

Assuming Bairstow is fit for the summer, he has to play given his recent record which means Foakes makes way. Foakes has a couple of nice test hundreds against off spin but he isn't a test match batsman against pace bowling which is what Australia will bring this summer
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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #57 on: February 24, 2023, 03:39:45 PM »

To anyone thinking of dropping Foakes, just think about Bairstow's likely longevity keeping wicket after a badly broken leg...
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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #58 on: February 24, 2023, 03:51:39 PM »

I believe Foakes has scored hundreds against SA and NZ, both decent pace attacks. I agree, asking Bairstow to go straight back in the side plus keeping after serious injury- is a big ask. All his recent success is as a specialist batter also.
I also like Foakes who is capable of a gutsy innings and can occupy the crease, allowing the strokemakers to do their thing.
Brook or Bairstow to open I reckon in place of Crawley
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Re: England in New Zealand
« Reply #59 on: February 24, 2023, 04:00:01 PM »

Please god don't let them move Brook. Bairstow or Stokes up to open, Crawley out. Foakes adds a different dimension with the bat and is a worldie keeper, Bairstow did too well as a batsman not to come back.
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