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An Embarrassment of Riches
« on: March 03, 2023, 10:07:03 PM »
If all were fit and available, what would the best possible ODI side that England could put out (I bet it's tricky to agree!)

It's looking good at the moment, we could pr0bably put 2 good sides out - however what is our top XI - here's my twopennerth!

Roy
Bairstow
Malan
Brook
Butler
Livingstone
Moeen
Curran
Rashid
Wood
Archer

12th man - Willey
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Re: An Embarrassment of Riches
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2023, 10:49:26 PM »
I can't see past Root as the best ODI number 3, his record is outrageously good.
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Re: An Embarrassment of Riches
« Reply #2 on: March 03, 2023, 11:00:03 PM »
Yep, Root in for me and Stokes if fit for Livingston. There second 11 and reserves ain't bad either....

Salt
Hales
Duckett
Vince
Livingston
Jacks
Billings
Willey
Dawson/Topley
Mahmood
Woakes

Stone
Wood
Jordan
Ahmed
Gregory
Carse
Potts
Crawley
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Re: An Embarrassment of Riches
« Reply #3 on: March 03, 2023, 11:07:11 PM »
Root is our best ever odi player and is first name on the team sheet.
Reece Topley can't be far away.
The second team is good as any around.

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Re: An Embarrassment of Riches
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2023, 11:10:45 PM »
C Team beat  (an admittedly depleted) Pakistan, that speaks volumes.
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Re: An Embarrassment of Riches
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2023, 01:38:41 AM »

Best side for me is

Bairstow
Roy
Malan
Root
Buttler
Stokes/brook
Ali
Woakes
Rashid
Archer
Topley
« Last Edit: March 04, 2023, 01:40:27 AM by LEACHY48 »
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Re: An Embarrassment of Riches
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2023, 03:48:14 AM »
There was a time when this would be a difficult exercise to come up with 11 players worth selecting. Hard to imagine now that there was a time in recent memory when England went to a world cup with Gary Ballance as a first choice player.

My strongest side for the World Cup would be

Hales
Bairstow
Root
Brook
Butler
Livingstone
Ali
Sam Curran
Rashid
Archer
Wood
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Re: An Embarrassment of Riches
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2023, 07:17:17 AM »
It's ridiculous to think the difference from not even 10 years ago - it was 2015 World Cup disaster which changed everything.

My World Cup side would be -

Roy
Bairstow
Root
Brook
Buttler
Livingstone
Ali
Curran
Rashid
Wood
Archer

Very very tempted by Hales instead of Roy but he has shown he comes good on the big stage and Hales only chance to play an ODI by the time the WC comes is in September.

Malan is the hardest one to fit in TBH. But I can't see past Root and Brook.

Bowlers - Topley, Willey, Woakes, Ahmed may go as spin back up as well.

Anyone know what the WC squad size is their allowed to pick?
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Re: An Embarrassment of Riches
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2023, 08:50:39 AM »
15 isn't it?
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Re: An Embarrassment of Riches
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2023, 09:17:06 AM »
Malan is going to be hard done to but ultimately there is only 1 place for someone to be the ‘glue’ and unfortunately, Malan is just ‘diet root’

It’s also hard to ignore what Hales has done and continues to do in franchise leagues (albeit T20) so it’s hard to pick between the 2 of them really

Stokes also has to play if we are assuming everyone is available

Roy/ Hales
Bairstow
Root
Brook
Buttler
Stokes
Ali
Curran
Rashid
Archer
Wood


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Re: An Embarrassment of Riches
« Reply #10 on: March 04, 2023, 09:37:37 AM »
I suspect the team will be something like

Bairstow
Malan
Root
Brook
Buttler
Stokes
Ali
Curran
Rashid
Archer
Wood

The team has to be set up to play in India and Malan is better in the sub continent than Roy. Bairstow's IPL performances make him a shoe in assuming fitness.
The question here really is around Stokes.
Will he be able to bowl his overs. Will he even be available. If Stokes isn't available then we may see Liam Livingston

Tough call to have to choose between Malan and Roy...

Also in the squad will be Roy, Livingston, Topley, Willey and Woakes (assuming 16 man squad)
« Last Edit: March 04, 2023, 09:40:16 AM by Buzz »
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Re: An Embarrassment of Riches
« Reply #11 on: March 04, 2023, 10:03:34 AM »
I'd consider Jacks over Livingston, his bowling has been pretty handy of late.
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Re: An Embarrassment of Riches
« Reply #12 on: March 04, 2023, 10:47:32 AM »
Possibly, it will be interesting to see what happens over the next few months in the run up to the world cup. There is lots of cricket to play... I think Jacks' has more potential than Livingston but Livi is ahead of him in the pecking order at the moment
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Re: An Embarrassment of Riches
« Reply #13 on: March 04, 2023, 12:49:58 PM »
Quote from: Buzz on March 04, 2023, 09:37:37 AM
I suspect the team will be something like

Bairstow
Malan
Root
Brook
Buttler
Stokes
Ali
Curran
Rashid
Archer
Wood

The team has to be set up to play in India and Malan is better in the sub continent than Roy. Bairstow's IPL performances make him a shoe in assuming fitness.
The question here really is around Stokes.
Will he be able to bowl his overs. Will he even be available. If Stokes isn't available then we may see Liam Livingston

Tough call to have to choose between Malan and Roy...

Also in the squad will be Roy, Livingston, Topley, Willey and Woakes (assuming 16 man squad)

Yep I was picking mine on the basis that Stokes was unavailable. Him being able to bowl is an interesting point. It being in India also means Root is a bowling option so maybe not as much pressure to get as many overs from him.
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Re: An Embarrassment of Riches
« Reply #14 on: March 04, 2023, 03:31:53 PM »
Think Stokes is a wasted pick and sends the wrong message to other players who warrant a spot more.

Root has to be involved
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