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jonny77

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Re: An Embarrassment of Riches
« Reply #15 on: March 04, 2023, 03:51:30 PM »
Quote from: cricketbadger on March 04, 2023, 03:31:53 PM
Think Stokes is a wasted pick and sends the wrong message to other players who warrant a spot more.

Root has to be involved

Interesting take. Who warrants a spot more than Stokes? Huge big game player and for me a definite if fit. I know we don't live in the past but the guy hasn't done bad in recent world cups!

If he's not 100% though I'd go Livingston over Jacks currently.
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« Reply #16 on: March 04, 2023, 04:44:38 PM »
Well he's not 100% fit for starters. And with it being in the sub continent you'd want spinning all rounders IMO. Not knocking his ability obviously, but a Jacks or Livi would be a better option and more beneficial for the future.

He retired for a reason, what that exact reason is I don't know. But I'd prefer him to concentrate on his fitness and test career as captain and leader
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Re: An Embarrassment of Riches
« Reply #17 on: March 04, 2023, 05:27:45 PM »
He does seem like he's knacked himself properly this time.
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Re: An Embarrassment of Riches
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2023, 08:37:49 PM »
Quote from: Jimbo on March 04, 2023, 05:27:45 PM
He does seem like he's knacked himself properly this time.

Possibly this.
Apparently there is a sergical solution, but Stokes is holding off due to the IPL. And he has £1.6(ish) million reasons why that is the case.

No one could possibly argue that he shouldn't be in the team. His batting in the finals on the last two world cups have been instrumental in the result.
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Re: An Embarrassment of Riches
« Reply #19 on: March 04, 2023, 10:08:57 PM »
I'd power through for £1.5m as well I reckon 😂
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Re: An Embarrassment of Riches
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2023, 09:42:44 AM »
Stokes' bowling action places a big strain in his front knee and ankle by jumping wide in his delivery stride then pivoting inwards to deliver the ball.  Given the knee cartridge problem he has, I am not sure how much longer he can play as a genuine all rounder.
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Re: An Embarrassment of Riches
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2023, 02:30:43 PM »
I reckon he will make himself available, its just too big of a lure not to.  I also think he might jack bowling in after.

Our best XI...every time I think about it, something happens to change my mind.  The one thing I would be firm on is, I would not have Roy in there any longer, he is just too streaky.

So today's First XI is:

Duckett or Malan
Bairstow
Root
Brook
Buttler
Stokes
Ali
Curran
Rashid
Archer
Wood
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Re: An Embarrassment of Riches
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2023, 07:53:28 PM »
I don't get why everyone wants to shoehorn Stokes back in - he made a choice to quit the 50 over stuff, his knee is knacked and I don't feel he was amazing ODi bowler anyway.

Which leaves his explosive ODI batting to commend him, and that is a situation where we already have the likes of Livingstone, Jacks, Malan, Hales and Duckett floating around as reserve pics.

I say leave him out of consideration this time (he's won a World Cup already), let him concentrate on revolutionising Test cricket and let one of the above mentioned become a new legend.
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Re: An Embarrassment of Riches
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2023, 08:47:42 PM »
Quote from: FattusCattus on March 05, 2023, 07:53:28 PM
I don't get why everyone wants to shoehorn Stokes back in - he made a choice to quit the 50 over stuff, his knee is knacked and I don't feel he was amazing ODi bowler anyway.

Which leaves his explosive ODI batting to commend him, and that is a situation where we already have the likes of Livingstone, Jacks, Malan, Hales and Duckett floating around as reserve pics.

I say leave him out of consideration this time (he's won a World Cup already), let him concentrate on revolutionising Test cricket and let one of the above mentioned become a new legend.

Think you answered your own question there mate, He's won a world cup. No Stokes, probably no world cup win. I appreciate his injuries and kind of agree, but it's hard to leave out a true, vastly experienced match winner if he's available imo.

The rest you mentioned are good players, but they don't have the stature, presence or experience under the pump in the crucial moments which Stokes has.
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Re: An Embarrassment of Riches
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2023, 08:57:19 PM »
*he has won 2 World Cups.
Managing the chase in the final both times.
Second name on the team sheet after Jos for me.
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Re: An Embarrassment of Riches
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2023, 09:01:24 PM »
There's a lot to be said for having experienced 'winners' in your team. See it all the time in football, clubs will sign someone who is used to winning to improve the mentality of their squad.
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Re: An Embarrassment of Riches
« Reply #26 on: March 06, 2023, 06:17:24 AM »
Quote from: Buzz on March 05, 2023, 08:57:19 PM
*he has won 2 World Cups.
Managing the chase in the final both times.
Second name on the team sheet after Jos for me.

Rashid's the 2nd name on the teamsheet, 8 days a week
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Re: An Embarrassment of Riches
« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2023, 11:00:37 AM »
Twin leg spinners today, never thought id see the day!
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Re: An Embarrassment of Riches
« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2023, 01:15:40 PM »
Quote from: cricketbadger on March 06, 2023, 06:17:24 AM
Rashid's the 2nd name on the teamsheet, 8 days a week

Morgan's ability to captain his spinners has had a bigger influence on English cricket than the positive batting approach.

Just imagine what would have happened to Rashid as a white ball spinner if Cook and then Root were white ball captains...
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Re: An Embarrassment of Riches
« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2023, 02:36:29 PM »
The last time two frontline legspinners played for England together was 1947: Doug Wright and Eric Hollies.
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