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Thor Odin’s Son

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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #135 on: November 07, 2023, 04:51:18 PM »
Best. World. Cup. Innings. Ever.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #136 on: November 08, 2023, 10:40:11 AM »
Buttler is done as an ODI player. Time to cash in on a full time T20 career.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #137 on: November 08, 2023, 01:00:37 PM »
Unpopular opinion. Makes Woakes the captain and rebuild the team. He seem to be the only guy who's heart was bleeding from these Eng performances.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #138 on: November 08, 2023, 01:39:25 PM »
Tricky when there are a lot of 30 somethings in the side to pick a new Captain. We need to rebuild for sure but I wouldn’t write Butler off yet.

It could be Captaincy has stunted his game, we have been really bad this WC but following Morgan was a thankless job.

I think Butler will step down soon myself of his own accord, not pushed by the ECB
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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #139 on: November 08, 2023, 03:43:45 PM »
It's coming home!
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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #140 on: November 08, 2023, 08:44:12 PM »
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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #141 on: November 11, 2023, 08:27:55 AM »
The commentary of Eng v Pak, the commentators stating that because England batting first it makes it much harder for Pakistan to increase their NRR. I think that’s rubbish.

I run a tournament that uses NRR and I think it makes no difference, due to the fact that if you bowl a team out, their NRR is calculated as if they used the full 50.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #142 on: November 11, 2023, 12:48:05 PM »
So Pakistan needs to chase 338 in 40 balls ergo impossible.

Therefore the semifinals are confirmed as:

(1) India vs (4) New Zealand at Mumbai
(2) South Africa vs (3) Australia at Kolkata
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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #143 on: November 11, 2023, 03:04:14 PM »
Pakistan are just crap…year after year stat padding against the no hopers like Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, West Indies and Zimbabwe…

Artificially inflated averages and player rankings…
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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #144 on: November 12, 2023, 03:50:00 PM »
Pakistan are very poor

Key has taken the blame for englands showing

A deliberate strategy to protect butler and mott I think who will stay unless they resign
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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #145 on: November 12, 2023, 08:09:13 PM »
It makes a change to have some honesty from the top man.
I think he is right the test side has been the focus and not enough on the limited overs team.

Some new faces for the West Indies tour is good, I think Malan is a bit unfortunate despite his age he is still one of our best.

Quite how Livingstone gets yet more chances is beyond me. I must be missing something.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #146 on: November 12, 2023, 08:59:36 PM »
Shows good leadership from key

Although protecting Mott not sure ..

Livingstone not been great wonder how long that SG contract will last 
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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #147 on: November 12, 2023, 09:04:29 PM »
Mott has been pretty much in the background even sending out an assistant to do press. Jos seems to have been left on his own.

When it goes tits up you need to face the music. Even Duncan Fletcher who hated interviews gave more than this Mott bloke.

Not impressed myself
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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #148 on: November 12, 2023, 10:54:20 PM »
The point raised by Key that England have focussed on Test cricket at the expense of the white ball game raises the question as to where England's focus should be.  After the humiliation of the 2015 World Cup, England placed a huge focus on the white ball game and that was rewarded with winning both the ODI and T20 world cups but it came as the expense of test cricket.  After a terrible run of form and style of cricket in Tests under Root and Silverwood, there has been a huge switch back to focussing on the red ball game which has resulted in the most entertaining Test cricket we have ever played and one of the highest ratio of wins in 150 years of playing the red ball game.   

Ultimately, we have achieved a lot in recent years given our population size and the relative minority status of cricket here certainly hitting above our weight.  If international cricket is to continue across 3 formats, the first decision for the ECB will be to decide which format ultimately takes primacy when it comes to first call on players and coaching staff 
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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #149 on: November 13, 2023, 06:34:23 PM »
I think the thing with Mott is that he is quite a diffident character, as is Buttler as a captain.  Mott with Morgan (which is what was expected when he was appointed) would work fine because Morgan was very definite about what he wanted, but there does not appear to be the chemistry between the two at the top. 

Buttler has to stay on for the time being - aside from the fact that, as awful as he has been (and he narrowly pips Livingstone and Curran to the title of worst England player at this World Cup), it is one tournament in a glittering ten year white ball career, there are not really any other options.  Stokes, Root, Bairstow and Woakes will be made to prioritise other formats, Ali and Willey are gone and Malan seems to be the scapegoat.  The rebuild should focus on getting a "Buttler" team - and focus on younger talent. 
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