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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #60 on: October 26, 2023, 10:40:07 AM »

Time to come home.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #61 on: October 26, 2023, 10:44:41 AM »

England’s team selection or squad selection was just poor.
Sam Curran was picked for what reason? If you pick Woakes, why you need Curran? A mid 120kph lollipop “bowler” isn’t gonna cut it in India.
Liam Livingstone? God awful.
Leaving out Jason Roy or another aggressive opener was a key error.
You pick either Malan or Root. You don’t need both.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #62 on: October 26, 2023, 10:58:56 AM »

England’s team selection or squad selection was just poor.
Sam Curran was picked for what reason? If you pick Woakes, why you need Curran? A mid 120kph lollipop “bowler” isn’t gonna cut it in India.
Liam Livingstone? God awful.
Leaving out Jason Roy or another aggressive opener was a key error.
You pick either Malan or Root. You don’t need both.

Don't disagree that the squad selection was poor, but not sure Root vs Malan is the issue. Those two are the top two run scorers so far and there's plenty scope for both if anyone else was scoring runs around them.

To my mind, they've not played enough ODI cricket with their "best" team, spent far too long shuffling players in and out, and as a result they still didn't know their best side when selecting players.

Duckett - known to be excellent against spin - not selected, Brook picked on form in other formats and not given sufficient time to learn ODI cricket, etc.

Muddled thinking on all fronts - Archer taken as travelling reserve while still goosed, Brook/Roy being left to the last second, players picked on T20 form not ODI...

Management of the campaign and the build up has been shambolic. Hopefully lessons will be learned and they'll start developing a core squad of ODI players who play regularly and play together. Big clear out of the ODI squad incoming so there is a chance for a rebuild.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #63 on: October 26, 2023, 11:31:41 AM »

Lowest total at the ground. Well, that's one record for England's campaign 😳
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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #64 on: October 26, 2023, 11:52:27 AM »

I don't really understand how we have become so poo, so fast!

Do you not?
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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #65 on: October 26, 2023, 11:58:17 AM »

If there's going to be a clearout, I'd love to know where the new players are going to come from.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #66 on: October 26, 2023, 12:13:11 PM »

If there's going to be a clearout, I'd love to know where the new players are going to come from.

Ben Duckett, Sam Hain, Rehan Ahmed, Brydon Carse, Will Jacks, Phil Salt, possibly even Zak Crawley in 50 over cricket, and that's just off the top of my head. There's plenty talent in England. It's about managing it, building a team that understands their roles and how to play different situations, and actually playing enough ODI cricket.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #67 on: October 26, 2023, 12:20:43 PM »

Fancy Ollie Pope will make quite a good ODI player if he ever gets a go, plus Ben Foakes is an excellent 50 over player already. The top tier of county prospects have played plenty of 50 over games, it's the real young ones who won't have.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #68 on: October 26, 2023, 01:48:57 PM »

Pope has the range of shots for sure, Foakes had a cracking knock against Ireland a few years ago IIRC.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #69 on: October 26, 2023, 01:52:57 PM »

Does the World Cup exit reflect badly even more so a day on going back to who got contracts and who didn’t
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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #70 on: October 26, 2023, 01:59:07 PM »

Ben Duckett, Sam Hain, Rehan Ahmed, Brydon Carse, Will Jacks, Phil Salt, possibly even Zak Crawley in 50 over cricket, and that's just off the top of my head.

Good luck with that.

Off the top of your head? Fancy!
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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #71 on: October 26, 2023, 02:35:52 PM »

Is Billings the captain in waiting?
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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #72 on: October 26, 2023, 03:03:39 PM »

Is Billings the captain in waiting?

Resigning the Kent captaincy should see him ideally placed?
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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #73 on: October 26, 2023, 03:39:12 PM »

Is Billings the captain in waiting?

I think maybe if he was a few years younger but his chance with England seems to have been and gone. Crawley and Pope seem to be the ones they fancy for leadership roles at the moment.
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Re: ODI World Cup 2023
« Reply #74 on: October 26, 2023, 09:16:31 PM »

I think maybe if he was a few years younger but his chance with England seems to have been and gone. Crawley and Pope seem to be the ones they fancy for leadership roles at the moment.

Crawley has it all. A classic 'face fits' 'chosen one' that encapsulates English cricket.  A rich Daddy who's buddies with Keysey; the background, the education, the ability, the constant backing that other players haven't. May as well give him even more than he already has and give him the captaincy. Or go the opposite
 end of the spectrum and give it to........ Ollie Pope lol
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