Topic: ODI World Cup 2023 (Read 19821 times)

jonny77 · « **Reply #90 on:** October 29, 2023, 03:53:21 PM »

Can't believe I'm agreeing with @Thor Odin�s Son, but that was indeed pathetic!

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #91 on:** October 29, 2023, 03:59:53 PM »

Quote from: ppccopener on October 29, 2023, 03:07:58 PM

No not at all.

Perhaps you�re 13 so don�t remember anything prior to 2019

I can remember, as far back as 2019, a lot of people predicting just how badly England would do in this tournament. We must hang out in different places?

mo_town · « **Reply #92 on:** October 29, 2023, 04:48:12 PM »

I feel like confidence is such a key thing in sport especially in big tournaments. It feels like Eng never recovered from the first knock out punch in their opening match vs NZ. The match against SA was lost due to a captaining blunder. You put your players out in that blistering heat and let SA pummel you down. Its impossible to believe that its the batting that is letting this team down. I would understand if they scored 350 and oppositions chased it down.

Jimbo · « **Reply #93 on:** October 29, 2023, 06:07:55 PM »

They've definitely moved away from the blueprint that made the 2019 side so good, it's not as simple as that but it's surely a contributory factor.

- No second explosive opener, Malan is a wonderful cricketer but different mould to Roy and Bairstow.

- No middle overs specialist seamer, Plunkett had the skillset and attributes to excel through the middle overs. Not convinced any of the current squad fit this description.

- Livingstone has not been the replacement for Moeen they presumably hoped and Moeen is not the player he was 4 years ago.

Etc etc.

Thamesvalley · « **Reply #94 on:** October 29, 2023, 06:23:40 PM »

Roy has been pretty aweful in recent times and was not fit just before World Cup

Nothing suggests he would have done any differnt , without him being there we don�t know �but his form and fitness was an issue

No replacement to Roy in squad as a like for like didn�t help although india have rohit as explosive and Gill pkays around him �

2019 World Cup they had good results but a rocky period where they lost 3 and lucky to win the cup

No archer and plunkett must be a loss � altboigh in india who knows how they would have done ..

Livingstone hasn�t loved to the mark but neither have butler , bairstow , stokes or root

Moeen didn�t even make the best 11 in 2019 World Cup

They all haven�t performed as a group , just one of them things �.

Some need to retire and perhaps they need Morgan as coach �

ppccopener · « **Reply #95 on:** October 29, 2023, 07:17:40 PM »

I don�t think we knew our best side before the games started and that�s a bad reflection of the management. We could all pick 16 and maybe 22 we have so many good one day players.

We also changed our tactics, Stokes has to play but we went from all rounders to a tail starting at 8 then back to all rounders again-that cannot be right it should be minimal changes to get him back.

Nearly everyone has experience of IPL so that makes it even more odd we haven�t got at least to the final stages.

I also think Butler is wasted batting so far down�.you have to set the tone and look how other teams have done that. For out and out destructiveness Butler is capable of match changing hundreds.

It�s a bit like 2015 where we need to find a method to play.
We have been absolutely awful.

mo_town · « **Reply #96 on:** October 29, 2023, 07:20:27 PM »

Leaving out Roy was a bad decision. The X-factor is missing. Bairstow looks out of sorts. He might have failed but at least it was worth a try.

Not sure why Brooks was dropped after getting runs too

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #97 on:** October 29, 2023, 07:57:41 PM »

I can't remember many of England's ODIs since 2019 if I'm honest.

jonny77 · « **Reply #98 on:** October 29, 2023, 07:59:43 PM »

If anyone is in honest, they wouldn't have picked much of a different top order before the start of the tournament. The players just haven't performed.

Bairstow, Malan, Root, Brook, Stokes, Butler is (on paper) a very very good top 6, they should be getting more runs than they have. So, rather than looking at who did or didn't play, it's more a question of why they haven't performed anywhere near their ability.

Yorkershire · « **Reply #99 on:** October 29, 2023, 08:35:22 PM »

Quote from: jonny77 on October 29, 2023, 07:59:43 PM

If anyone is in honest, they wouldn't have picked much of a different top order before the start of the tournament. The players just haven't performed.

Bairstow, Malan, Root, Brook, Stokes, Butler is (on paper) a very very good top 6, they should be getting more runs than they have. So, rather than looking at who did or didn't play, it's more a question of why they haven't performed anywhere near their ability.

Agree after bowling India out for under 250, they should have gotten that score, even if they struggled a little. It was inconceivable that they wouldn't get it,but lo and behold...

Thamesvalley · « **Reply #100 on:** October 29, 2023, 08:36:37 PM »

Team just didn�t perform

Butler looks like he is unsure why either and the coach

Unless butler gives it up I think butler will retain role, he can�t be blamed for top players all not performing when they are all saying no issues in dressing room .

Just a bad tournament and big questions to answer ..

KW9221 · « **Reply #101 on:** October 29, 2023, 09:19:32 PM »

After seeing this World Cup with England team, it makes you appreciate the talent and leadership skills Morgan possessed. I always enjoy his batting as a player but he was phenomenal as a captain.

Thamesvalley · « **Reply #102 on:** October 29, 2023, 09:42:52 PM »

Just aside whenever I watched Morgan captain his ipl side they tended to be quite average

It is franchise cricket and his record as international captain is what counts ..

However unless I�m wrong it did not translate to the ipl � happy to be corrected

Buzz · « **Reply #103 on:** October 29, 2023, 10:46:24 PM »

Mott has to go. His position is totally untenable.

Thamesvalley · « **Reply #104 on:** October 29, 2023, 10:49:51 PM »

Someone has to go and will likely be Mott

Mickey Arthur for pak is useless too

England unlikely to qualify champions trophy too �

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