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What makes Keeley so good?
« on: November 14, 2023, 08:22:49 AM »

Hi everyone

From having a little browse round here it's really clear that Keeley bats/Tim Keeley have an incredible reputation. It'd be good to understand what are the reasons for this? Particularly from some of the batmakers on here.

Is there anything Keeley does differently to other batmakers? Different pressing techniques, specific profiles? Different willow or drying techniques? How much is based on his/their skill and experience, and how might some of the other batmakers here get to that level?
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Re: What makes Keeley so good?
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2023, 08:34:58 AM »

Think you've answered your own question a bit 😅 Keeley's reputation is based on years of experience and results, he's made great bats across multiple companies for a seriously long time without ever really producing duds.

As for how others might get there, there are plenty of cracking batmakers out there - not with TK's level of experience maybe - but plenty of skill at batmaking. Only way you get that kind of experience is time in the job I suppose.
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Re: What makes Keeley so good?
« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2023, 09:04:59 AM »

Exactly what @Jimbo says, experience and reputation. He's regarded as one of the best as he's done it for a long time and me some great bats. Doesn't mean to say others can't who haven't been at it as long, some great batmakers out there producing consistently. I've used a Keeley before I started making and it was a really nice stick for the two seasons I used it. Split through the toe, but that can happen to any bat regardless.

You'll find talk of triple pressing etc, but all that matters to me when buying a bat is who you want to support, if you like the company/branding, that it performs and you're getting what you're paying for grade wise.
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Re: What makes Keeley so good?
« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2023, 09:20:17 AM »

Treble!

Though someone likely going to start advertising as terror presses since.
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Re: What makes Keeley so good?
« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2023, 09:34:22 AM »

Oops! That'll teach me for trying to multitask, especially this early! I've amended. Triple pressing, sob pressed in cleft form, then when handled and again when shaped to get the exact feel they want. It's pretty common practice tho with a lot of batmakers I think, but each will have their own methods which work for them. No doubt Keeley do mate really really nice bats tho and I like the branding too personally.
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Re: What makes Keeley so good?
« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2023, 09:34:59 AM »

Wrote this in a post a couple of years back:

"What makes a Tim Keeley bat special? Well, I'm a firm believer that there's not that much between top-level batmakers. They all use the same willow and handle - and the MCC have limited any real innovation so is the average Tim Keeley bat significantly better than anyone else's? Probably not. The bats Tim and Nick make are wonderfully consistent and well pressed, but they are not alone in this.

What does set the Tim (and his brother) apart though is their reputation. And that's a reputation he thoroughly, thoroughly deserves.

Tim has been making bats by CNC since the 90s, pretty much the same technology that GM launched 10 years later and now claim make them the World's most advanced batmakers. First short blade, long handle cricket bat? Tim Keeley with the Newbery Uzi. It's taken over 10 years for other brands to cotton on with every brand now offering one in their range. First carbon handle cricket bat? Again. Tim Keeley. Adjustable counterbalanced handles? Yep, him too.

Tim is one of the last remaining batmakers of the John Newbery dynasty, one of perhaps a couple remaining now Millichamp has stopped making. Newbery has done more for cricket bat design than anyone in the past 100 years. The Scoop was his design, as was the Excalibur. These are 2 of the most iconic designs ever to have graced the field. Tim trained directly under his stewardship.

Keeley fully deserves his reputation and the plaudits, and the industry widely recognises this too. When a young batmaker needs help starting out, who is the first to lend a hand? Who do the Indian batmakers visit for advice on shaping and finishing? He's the most humble, helpful, artisan you could hope to meet.

It's possible to visit the Keeley factory and see them in action and I can't recommend it enough."
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Re: What makes Keeley so good?
« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2023, 09:40:13 AM »

Think the heritage counts for a lot towards it, with whom he and Andrew Kember trained under before going their own way with their own brands.

Having been lucky enough to visit Tim and spend some time with him being shown the manufacturing process its by no means the cutting-edge approach some brands use nowadays but he was prob the first to utilise a CNC to part finish them profile-wise.

My first Harrow bat was a newbery, this led me down the path to using one when I got a SH and subsequently used him to supply the Ayrtek bats when he was making lots of white-label ones for the smaller brands out there at the time. This has been scaled back since as he now has the Keeley brand to promote and sell.

As @jonny77 mentioned there are lots of other bat makers out there but very few with 35+ years of experience making them, you learn a lot about trial and error over a period of that length of time!


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Re: What makes Keeley so good?
« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2023, 10:00:31 AM »

Some terrific bat makers  out there
On the odd occasion some ppl have bad experiences

As Kember was mentioned and taught under same tutilage I don’t think his brand ever reached the Keeley heights, maybe because of the reasons Tom mentioned and keeleys innovations

I was surprised to read salix has nearly gone bust a few times too ..

From what I know they also make terrific bats although I have heard the quality has gone down slightly finishing etc but maybe it’s been rectified Now ..
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Re: What makes Keeley so good?
« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2023, 11:36:32 AM »

I think Salix's quality has been great and a benchmark in terms of finishing that others have aspired or had to live upto, whilst their willingness/ability to move with the times to make big profile/edge and light bats may have been slower. Perhaps the new Acid branded range addresses this whilst leaving the Salix brand as the heritage range?

I didn't expect the ones I had in stock when I bought TCB to hang around as they are both 2.7 full width and length SH bats at 2.7 or under!
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Re: What makes Keeley so good?
« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2023, 11:48:28 AM »

This raises the question on how important finishing is. Maybe another thread. Salix have always been well regarded in terms of finishing and rightly so. I'm not sure how much finishing to w glass finish is important for most outside of CBF, but it's not just their finishing obviously. Again, obviously a high quality batmaker with tremendous pedigree and experience.
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Re: What makes Keeley so good?
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2023, 12:18:33 PM »

As Kember was mentioned and taught under same tutilage I don’t think his brand ever reached the Keeley heights, maybe because of the reasons Tom mentioned and keeleys innovations
Kember's thoughts on Tim are here:
"It was the supporting cast at Newbery that had more of an impact on Kember’s early career, as the likes of Tim Keeley and Kevin Woodgate showed him the standards he needed to meet. “The key one was Tim,” says Kember, “because he was good – really good. Anything John could do, Tim could do, and frankly, a lot of the design ideas and a lot of the stuff that was done, went through Tim.”"
https://wisden.com/stories/your-game/cricket-gear/salix-cricket-story
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Re: What makes Keeley so good?
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2023, 12:20:29 PM »

Hi everyone

From having a little browse round here it's really clear that Keeley bats/Tim Keeley have an incredible reputation. It'd be good to understand what are the reasons for this? Particularly from some of the batmakers on here.

Is there anything Keeley does differently to other batmakers? Different pressing techniques, specific profiles? Different willow or drying techniques? How much is based on his/their skill and experience, and how might some of the other batmakers here get to that level?

Each bat guarantees 3 centuries per season...







... just joking, great bats and legendary bat maker, I quite like their handles.  One regret I have is I wish I'd purchased a newbery when Tim was making them with the old branding, was a really classy brand. A brand I feel has lost its way a bit.

Plenty of other great makers making bats that perform. I'd love to try a bat made by @thebigginge (hint hint and grovelling), but GN don't specify where the bat was manufactured...



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Re: What makes Keeley so good?
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2023, 01:02:51 PM »

Each bat guarantees 3 centuries per season...

Ah, so now I know the reason my average is so, well, average. A Keeley would sort it all out.

Thanks all for the views so far though. Really interesting, and confirms (not that I had any doubt) he's a legend of the game, particularly around these parts. And so good to see he's shared what he's learned with others, doubtless some of you on here too.

My next bat is definitely going to come from an individual batmaker rather than a brand, and Keeley seems to have a foot in both camps at the moment from my reading of this thread. It's not just about being able to spec a bat myself - indeed I'll just leave that to the expert and trust what they do - it's more about wanting to support someone who's invested time and money in learning a complex and pretty niche craft. I'm also more and more troubled by the carbon impact of bats. I find it uncomfortable that trees grown in the UK are shipped halfway around the world and back, just to be used in a sport that's disproportionately affected by climate change. These days I'd rather my money went to a local, premium product and support a local business which doesn't have the same baggage.
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Re: What makes Keeley so good?
« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2023, 01:18:23 PM »

Applaud all of that mate 👍
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Re: What makes Keeley so good?
« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2023, 02:06:48 PM »

If you are keen to get a Keeley bat I would advise that you do it sooner rather than later. Not just from the cost rising point of view but who knows how long the brothers will keep going.

Heard that from a reliable source.
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