Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #45 on: January 17, 2024, 08:17:38 AM »

The trend as I see it is that the Internet has opened up choice that didn't exist when you were limited to whatever your local dealer stocked.

This is the big one. Simply put without the internet/social media, Neon wouldn't have got off the ground and that goes for quite a few of the 'newer' brands that have gained traction over the last 3-6 years or so.

The reality with us badgers on here is we represent an incredibly small niche of the industry. My orders are still something like 95% online vs 5% in-person, yet pretty much everyone who comes in to buy a bat can't believe others would even fathom buying a bat online. Earlier this week I had a customer and his dad drive from Essex for a size 5, but then I also had an online order from someone who lived 4 miles away - offered them the chance to come in and pick their bat, but they declined as they were too busy!

COVID definitely accelerated the change in buying habit, but the current generation are growing up ordering anything and everything off Amazon so buying something like a bat online is just second nature. I'm only 32 but I still have fond memories heading to the Duncan Fearnley factory to get my bats when I was a youngster growing up in Worcester, but it just isn't the case any more for the majority.

I should add as a side note, the youngsters that do come in to choose their bats pretty much always only come in because the parent plays/played themselves and 'wouldn't buy a bat online' - the kids themselves barely ever care!!
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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #46 on: January 17, 2024, 09:28:38 AM »

It is one of the nice things about the forum for those of us who live nowhere near any cricket manufacturers at all, the ability to have kit picked out based on what you need by someone who you can be sure knows their stuff and isn't just out to make a quick profit.
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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #47 on: January 17, 2024, 11:49:12 AM »

IIRC , we are discussing internet sales for custom bats. So, technically, if what you are saying is true, people wouldn't be complaining about reduced sales. Rising tide lifts all boats but that's not the case here is it?

Regarding growing popularity of cricket, that's nice to read/hear.

I don't think any rising tide in a consumer market lifts all boats.  There will always be winners and losers.

I find it hard to believe that a new brand like WCW could have grown in the way it has, selling at the price point it does, in the era before online retail. Established brands like Kippax and Keeley have manged to expand beyond their geographical areas.

I don't think that the large Indian brands could have expanded into the UK at the rate they have if they had required individual shops up and down the country to take a risk on stocking new products

Conversely, there have certainly been losses from this. For some of us, the decline of Duncan Fearnely is sad to see.
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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #48 on: January 17, 2024, 05:32:49 PM »

I don't think any rising tide in a consumer market lifts all boats.  There will always be winners and losers.

I don't think so. If bat sales are growing and supply is constant, every bat seller will see demand. This simple principle was more than obvious during the pandemic.

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I find it hard to believe that a new brand like WCW could have grown in the way it has, selling at the price point it does, in the era before online retail. Established brands like Kippax and Keeley have manged to expand beyond their geographical areas.

I don't think that the large Indian brands could have expanded into the UK at the rate they have if they had required individual shops up and down the country to take a risk on stocking new products


Your assertions are a:) bat buying market is growing because more young people are getting into the sport; b:) custom bat brands have grown because of online presence; c:) established brands like Kippax and Keeley have also grown "beyond their geographical areas". TCB's original post that I commented on was about this forum helping with sales. That's all I was responding to with some additional comments about bat buying behavior.

Regarding Kippax and Keeley, don't forget Laver & Wood and their mass appeal. Now, we are talking about larger market's buying patterns and not just forum related sales. You are correct, those brands have expanded & yet in larger context, not every clubbie is buying those brands and I refer you to my points 8, 9, & 10. These brands are expensive. Cheapest Kippax I see on their website is GBP 295 (https://kippaxcricket.co.uk/shop/); I know about pingy no-brand India made sold for USD 250. Find a friend in India and you will find many good deals. :D Outside of UK, people buying those expensive bats are less than 1 percent of the 1 percent club players. People buy goods (bats in this case) that are priced reasonably for them. I am talking about adult club players, not internet/social-media savvy kids. Do people buy more bats because they are available online? My point is that accessability is not necessary growth.

How many of these kids play club cricket as adults? Are they return customers? How many bats they buy during their playing years? Is market reach "beyond their geographical areas" same things as market growth?

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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #49 on: January 17, 2024, 10:46:47 PM »

Best thread in ages!

Firstly, to comments about retailers, recently i asked Tom / Ayrtek / Cricket boutique to help me purchase a couple grands worth of kit for my youth coaching. He recommended and sourced kit from all over the place and even helped when i had an issue with one item. Great service and if you can, i couldn’t recommend him more. I am unsure if he would like to do all that work again 😂

On the bats and handles, ive always preferred a thicker handle and have struggled with the trend in bats. I always wanted to try an Aldred but was worried about the whole weight thing. I visited with a mate and picked out a butterfly bat at 2’11. Great bat but wished i had asked for something lighter, so i did contact him and it got a bit awkward and i didnt order.

Just before avheistmas he put some bats up at 2’8, i grabbed one. They pick up identically …. Felt a little silly. Both are great bats though and i have alreqdy started netting because im so excited to use it.

I rarely post anymore so while i am typing i just want to recommend that there should be another unoffical cbf game if we have 11 active members now. I miss neons leg spin.
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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #50 on: January 17, 2024, 11:42:19 PM »

Intrigued about the Aldred thing

So you have a 2.11 which you picked up at the workshop , felt good but later in your own space felt heavy ?

You recently got a 2.8 from Aldred , when you say picked up identical what do you mean ?
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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #51 on: January 18, 2024, 08:08:30 AM »

I miss neons leg spin.

You'll be pleased to know it's as consistent as ever and awaiting it's next outing under the CBF banner ;) :D
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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #52 on: January 18, 2024, 10:47:19 AM »

You'll be pleased to know it's as consistent as ever and awaiting it's next outing under the CBF banner ;) :D
Certainly enjoyed the last outing at Klive for sure
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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #53 on: January 18, 2024, 05:42:55 PM »

Intrigued about the Aldred thing

So you have a 2.11 which you picked up at the workshop , felt good but later in your own space felt heavy ?

You recently got a 2.8 from Aldred , when you say picked up identical what do you mean ?

I have a 2’8 and a 2’11 aldred. They are identical in size and shape. They also pick up identically. Both pick up very well. I bought the second one because it was lighter and im a fool.
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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #54 on: January 18, 2024, 06:18:34 PM »

That’s bizarre the 2.8 and the 2.11 pick up identical

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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #55 on: January 18, 2024, 06:22:26 PM »

That’s bizarre the 2.8 and the 2.11 pick up identical

Who'd have thought?
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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #56 on: January 18, 2024, 07:09:13 PM »

Certainly enjoyed the last outing at Klive for sure

We could always squeeze another game into cricket week if we had enough players.
11 batsman and no bowling is always entertaining.
Could make 350 but also might not defend it!!!
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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #57 on: January 18, 2024, 08:02:18 PM »

We could always squeeze another game into cricket week if we had enough players.
11 batsman and no bowling is always entertaining.
Could make 350 but also might not defend it!!!

Im happy to play/bowl if it helps numbers. Depending on where the matches take place. But I guess with notice I could just find a hotel…..with a bar……😁
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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #58 on: January 18, 2024, 09:15:22 PM »

We could always squeeze another game into cricket week if we had enough players.
11 batsman and no bowling is always entertaining.
Could make 350 but also might not defend it!!!

Would love to play down at Kilve again if we can get it arranged!
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Re: Is 2024 The Year Of The Bat Revolution?
« Reply #59 on: January 18, 2024, 09:20:26 PM »

Looks a nice setting.
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