Topic: Left arm orthodox and off-spin bowling runup for around the wicket bowling (Read 1467 times)

adb club cricketer · « **on:** March 18, 2024, 01:32:12 PM »

Folks,

For a left arm orthodox and right arm off spinner when bowling around the wicket, I want to know which technique is better between going across vs just coming straight in the run up from the other side when bowling around the wicket. I know in past most professionals used to go across but these days I see almost everyone comes straight from other side. Want to know pros and cons of each method.

Thanks,

Kulli · « **Reply #1 on:** March 18, 2024, 02:28:54 PM »

The more angled run up just leaves you with more work to do to get round you action, if that makes sense.

mo_town · « **Reply #2 on:** March 18, 2024, 02:38:46 PM »

As a left arm spinner, I have tried both and these are my 2 cents.

When you bowl straight thru, you have more control over the lines you pitch but comparatively lesser tweak except for the ones where you bowl from really wide of the crease as a variation.
When coming across, you have a better chance of tweaking bcos of the natural pivot when delivering but it takes more of an effort to hold your lines. I tended to drift more down the leg side when coming across.

Flight is not my area of expertise. I am more in the Kumble mould so control has given me better results. After trying coming across, I decided to stick to my strengths and bowl straight thru.

Again, it might be flawed logic but this is from my personal experience

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adb club cricketer · « **Reply #3 on:** March 18, 2024, 05:21:36 PM »

Quote from: Kulli on March 18, 2024, 02:28:54 PM

The more angled run up just leaves you with more work to do to get round you action, if that makes sense.

Agree, more work needed to get around when coming across, but doesn't that generate more spin as more of the body pivot happens in this case?

adb club cricketer · « **Reply #4 on:** March 18, 2024, 05:24:25 PM »

From my own experiments, I tend to get less spin when coming straight through vs coming across, but more work is needed when coming across. But I am happy to do more work if I can get more spin. Ofcourse, I have always been a coming across type and I feel naturally comfortable with that angle. Still interested to hear opinions and motivate myself if I should experiment coming straight more. Given that most pros are coming straight through, there must be something here that is a benefit compared to coming across.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #5 on:** March 19, 2024, 10:40:52 AM »

Modern coaches talk a lot about "up and over".

More Glue Than Wood · « **Reply #6 on:** March 19, 2024, 11:10:36 AM »

from years of keeping/talking to spinners etc - plus bowling a bit of 'buffet' sunday stuff - the higher your arm = straighter run is better and the lower your arm = angled run seemed better - totally unscientific however!!!

Matty59 · « **Reply #7 on:** March 20, 2024, 09:09:13 PM »

Agree with what�s been said above. I�ve been coming �through� for a while and definitely generated more turn by having to get a proper pivot back round the front leg. Tried coming straight at nets last week for the first time in a while and it definitely helped my line. Aiming to find the sweet spot this week by coming straight but slightly wider. 30 years in and still learning!

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #8 on:** March 21, 2024, 11:06:49 AM »

I've been having the 'straight v angled' debate with myself for most of my life.

mo_town · « **Reply #9 on:** March 21, 2024, 11:19:21 AM »

I tried angled one season and I did get more turn than usual but I didnt really feel in control of where I wanted to land the ball and ended up drifting a lot towards the leg stump for a right hander. Probably needed more practice. In typical English conditions you will need all the help you can get using angles etc to generate some spin as a finger spinner especially in the early part of the season.

MichaelM · « **Reply #10 on:** March 21, 2024, 05:43:18 PM »

Right arm off spin, around the wicket, always have being bowling angled, between stumps and the umpire, making full use of bowling crease. Don't really bowl around to right handers in the match, only do that in the nets. In one game I just bowled a couple of deliveries around the wicket, to change the angle. Bowling around the wicket to a right hander need more control, especially to a decent one.

willmau5 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 22, 2024, 12:11:27 PM »

I bowl left arm spin, always around the wicket to a right hander and always come through between umpire and the stumps. Have been my team's 2nd highest wicket taker the last 2 seasons so something must be working OK.

The angle means I need to rotate through my action more. For me this means I get more spin on the ball, which I think is because I end up putting my left hip through my action more. I get more dip and bounce this way too.

Stock delivery my landing foot points towards first slip ish, and I rotate on my right leg through the action. My variation is to land my right foot wider and pointing more towards gully, and really push my hip through in the action. This does get me some extra bounce and is a nice mix up to the regular action.

My bad deliveries always tend to be leg side, as my right shoulder is more likely to drop.

Personally I find that bowling over the wicket means less spin and variation, and a decent right hander will slog sweep me all day as there's very little chance of LBW. Same shot against me around the wicket opens up more risk as they play against the spin. I get a fair few caught gully/third man from top edges from sweeps.

adb club cricketer · « **Reply #12 on:** March 22, 2024, 03:20:47 PM »

Good points above. Also, I think T20 has brought the straight run up into play more as spinners are more in control mode, happy to get away with less spin while having more control, putting it on the off stump and bowling faster with less flight.

Bats_Entertainment · « **Reply #13 on:** March 22, 2024, 09:53:51 PM »

Rare to see a run-up between the stumps and umpire in professional cricket nowadays. I remember seeing Saif Zaib do it, bowling for Northants, and thinking I hadn't seen that for a while.

adb club cricketer · « **Reply #14 on:** March 23, 2024, 04:32:16 AM »

Saw Mayank Dagar do the cross run up today for RCB. Ended up with a decent 6 runs off 2 overs. Was refreshing to see that in this day and age.

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