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[Mr Cricket]

chris woakes of warwickshire has just ripped out the lancashire top order in their county championship match and steven finn took 14 wickets last week in a div 2 game.

these are 2 up and coming english seamers who appear to have real quality (and there are more on the fringes), i know its april and the pitches arent going to be 100% batsman freindly but we did see chris rogers score 340 runs last week for derbyshire (you little beauty!!!) so evidently there is scope for batsmen to score runs.

i think if these guys can continue to improve as they are england could find themselves with some geniune wicket taking bowlers in the near future which could see us climb the rankings and actually be a consistantly good team.

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[niceonechoppy]

Rogers got those runs on a bowlers graveyard though, and to be fair he is a class apart. Finn was really encouraging to see, his 9 and 5 fers must give him some great encouragement and with Andrew Strauss being in the slips, he will have an good summer ahead for England. Hannon Dalby last week got 5 wickets as well, against Bell and Trott, who are no mugs by any mean. Good to see Woakes who will be pushing for England Lions, the theory is though that he isnt quick enough to cut at the highest level, after all apart from New Zealand there isnt much swing or seam, however I hope he proves me wrong.

On the batsmans note, obviously Rogers got stacks of runs but also young Taylor who made 88 and Trott who scored the same, Ramps again got another 100, when will he stop? He didnt get many this morning but hopefully Hamilton brown cashes in, I really rate him as a cricketer and hope to see him wearing some sort of England shirt this summer.

[Outlaw]

Bowlers graveyard? Was good enough for Derbyshire to skittle them twice! Rogers is on a different level, should be opening for Australia or at least have been given a better crack at it better than Jacques, Hughes and Katich.

[alexrickyponting]

choppy personally im not a big hamilton-brown fan, but i think it would be easier for him to get in to some form of england side if he didnt have the weight of captaincy on his shoulders, hes under a bit too much pressure a bit too young really in that he has to boss around ramps, afzaal etc who probably know a fit bit more than him, though if he does manage to bat well it would be a pretty good acheivement but i think an unlikely one, this season anyway.

Outlaw: they skittled surrey twice because surrey, unfortunately most of the time are utter (No Swearing Please) unless the top order gets a strong start and until Spriegel and Harinath are told to get lost and Brown opens with someone decent we will capitulate more often than not

[Jeet]

Bowlers graveyard? Was good enough for Derbyshire to skittle them twice! Rogers is on a different level, should be opening for Australia or at least have been given a better crack at it better than Jacques, Hughes and Katich.

Before Jaques had to have his back repaired, he was head and shoulders above all other Aussie domestic openers.

Rogers isn't in Jaque's class

[alexrickyponting]

what happened to jaques back? id forgotten he even existed :/

[Alvaro]

Just a bit of cut and paste:

Last June Phil Jaques had an uncertain future following three back operations, but after completing a full campaign with the Blues he heads to England next week to re-join Worcestershire and continue a journey that he wants to finish in Australian selection...
When he walks out to bat he knows his back is not going to break and the prosthetic disc that was replaced between L5 and S1 has become part of him. For three years he struggled with the problem while establishing himself as a Test batsman, but he was forced home from India in 2008 and has since been stuck on 11 Tests, 902 runs and three centuries.

[Alvaro]

Hamilton Brown is a puppet captain. Grizzly is the man in control.

[niceonechoppy]

Surrey other than Ramps, Davies and Hamilton Brown are pathetic, Jaques was on another level than all other Aussie openers, but he Was but isnt now. Rogers has overtaken him for me, and apart from Stuart Law and Brad Hodge, Rogers is the most unlucky cricketer to play for Australia.

[Outlaw]

Just my opinion Jeet, I think Rogers is the better bat now very consistent and a player of his calibre with the runs he has scored to back himself should be given a fair crack. However I have heard his face doesn't fit, not sure why though as he is a very nice bloke. And as for Hamilton-Brown I think he does have a very good cricketing brain however he has an arrogance about him that his talent doesn't match up too.

[Mr Cricket]

how can you say that jeet? rogers is easily the most effective overseas player in england right now and has been for that past couple of seasons, and yet also holds his form for victoria, he performs to a high level all around the world in all formats and he would have been successful at test level given the chance.

anyway, this isnt a thread about rogers, i would like to know peoples opinions on the future of english seam bowling... what are you views on this?

[Alvaro]

anyway, this isnt a thread about rogers, i would like to know peoples opinions on the future of english seam bowling... what are you views on this?

Threadbare really...
Finn has a lot of pressure on him now - let's just hope he doesn't break down.
Apart from that it all looks a bit military medium.

[gramw]

I just hope they dont get called up to England soon.

[Mr Cricket]

maybe a siddle/hilfenhaus style pairing could be forged from the military medium stuff and finn could be our brett lee. afterall with lee aus would have won the ashes! and siddle/hilfenhaus always looked like taking wickets in english conditions

[roco]

You don't need to be lightning quick mgrath proved that plus pollock was better when he slowed down woakes and Finn look promising