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[jonpinson]

Not sure you have seen my ss it weight 2lb 6oz and goes like a bullit and is massive your not getting 40mm edges on a 2lb 6 without something but it goes well yes i have no doubt it will not last forever...

I have also another in the airing cupboard now which started at 3lb and going to try and get it down to around 2lb 9oz just to see

sorry JON I will try and stay on topic

You are very much on topic as far as I can see Carry on.

[jonpinson]

I should add I am going into this with a touch of cynicism.

Still like to hear from the batmakers though

[procricket]

Until Andy goes back on we will not find the anwsers or maybe we think about it to much

Maybe people are sick of spending big bucks on a bat that in truth only cost more because of 1 sticker ie Limited Edition/Pro Performance and the likes

We all know grains are for looking at and different company's  grade on looks and some performance...It is a mixed up place and i expect most of the brands/company's like this

Would't it be nice to know the more you pay the better it will be a guarantee i understand it a natural product and this could never be but with so much choice it hard to choose a bat you know will perform

[SillyShilly]

I am suprised that nobody has mentioned the pressing involved with low-density or lower moisture clefts - does the process become more difficult? Is there a minimum moisture level required to press a bat? There is an obvious difference between moisture and density - yet it sounds like the same outcome applies to both - diminished longevity.

[procricket]

But does it account for same performance if there pressed the same???

[Canners]

Dave

With comments like that people are going to start thinking that this elusive search for the holy Grail in the bat world is alot simpler than we've all made it out to be and more importantly alot cheaper

[jonpinson]

Dave

With comments like that people are going to start thinking that this elusive search for the holy Grail in the bat world is alot simpler than we've all made it out to be and more importantly alot cheaper

And we couldn't have that now, could we

Interesting to see several batmakers reading this thread...

[procricket]

low density cleft
over dried cleft

pressed the same which would be better in terms of performance? and performance only

only question i want answering it could save me and othere lots of money maybe why nobody has ever answered it big brands and it might be a question noboby would like to answer 

[Canners]

I love this forum although I think we ALL over think about our bats....

In principle, They're all made from the same material... I think the key is too find a bat that you like the feel of and feel confident/ comfortable with albeit pressed to perfection and effing huge for it's weight

[procricket]

agree bud as a budding batmaker /killer i interested and my demo is in full swing at the minute

[jonpinson]

low density cleft
over dried cleft

pressed the same which would be better in terms of performance? and performance only

only question i want answering it could save me and othere lots of money maybe why nobody has ever answered it big brands and it might be a question noboby would like to answer

Lets be fair. Knowing what I do about wood, letting the moisture content reduce naturally is 'better' than forcing it, with artificial conditions for instance kilning. It applies to wood used in construction, display, tone (instruments).

I'm not sure if it is fair to describe naturally LD (whether that be due to a naturally lower level of moisture, or some other factor, e.g cellular structure) as the same as over dried willow. I can't say with certainty that the two will have the same characteristics.

Would love to hear from those in the know...

[jonpinson]

I love this forum although I think we ALL over think about our bats....

In principle, They're all made from the same material... I think the key is too find a bat that you like the feel of and feel confident/ comfortable with albeit pressed to perfection and effing huge for it's weight

You are right of course. This is purely conjecture. Fun though, isn't it?

[Canners]

Great fun indeed

[jonpinson]

empty your inbox arboracultrist

No need for language like that

[100 not out]

Low density willow is rare . . .my understanding is that the moisture content will be the same as a normal cleft but will weigh less.

over dried willow is not rare. . . .any piece of willow can be over dried and hence reduced weigh. LDW same moisture content as a non LDW cleft if u like, but weighs less on the scales.