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[tim2000s]

Which is why I look forward to trying it out!

[Bulldog Cricket]

Yea let me know how you get on Tim. I have been using one in the nets and have been so impressed I will now use it in all forms of cricket this season.

[tim2000s]

I would consider the joker in that context, but not the mmi!

[Tom]

I think a couple of players are going to be using the MMi in all formats this season, at least in the professional game. On the other side of the coin, a couple of our other players won't use it at all and they'll stick to the CoR.

As ever its about finding a bat that suits, whether its an MMi, Joker or a regular bat. The various options out there is good for the consumer.

[tim2000s]

Once I've used all three I'll be able to give a better opinion! To be honest I think the worry about 5he mmi is more driven by the head than experience. I reckon most people can work with the weapon they choose to use. As long as you keep your head with 5he mmi, you should be fine.

[Bulldog Cricket]

Is the joker the same width as a Harrow ?

[tim2000s]

Is the joker the same width as a Harrow ?

Apparently!

[johan95]

I really want one of either of these but the more I think about it, as a fairly defensively minded bat it is pretty pointless.

Could be very useful if you don't always bat up the order though mate...say on a Sunday coming in for a last 8 or so overs bash?? Though It's great that you are trying all these bats out for us Tim

[uknsaunders]

Apparently!

For that reason alone I wouldn't consider it. I have enough problems hitting the ball without reducing the edges. Length is less of a problem as I'm short anyway. Other issue is your paying a hell of a lot of money for effectively an oversized junior bat.

[tim2000s]

For that reason alone I wouldn't consider it. I have enough problems hitting the ball without reducing the edges. Length is less of a problem as I'm short anyway. Other issue is your paying a hell of a lot of money for effectively an oversized junior bat.

Interesting point of view. If you have problems hitting the ball, then having less face means you are less likely to edge it and therefore less likely to get out....

I liken the MMi3 and the Joker (although less so) to Baseball bats in that they have a more concentrated power zone, which means you have to take more care in your hit.

I'd argue that they aren't oversized Junior bats because they have decent sized handles and a decent weight on them. Good on the batmakers for trying something new, given the issues they face from MCC with trying to introduce new technology!

[Tom]

Less face means you're more likely to miss it and therefore more likely to get out. Otherwise we'd all be using middling bats.

That said a 6mm diff or whatever it is isn't huge.

[uknsaunders]

be interesting how a corr3 and bulldog compare, their adult bats.

[tim2000s]

Less face means you're more likely to miss it and therefore more likely to get out. Otherwise we'd all be using middling bats.

That said a 6mm diff or whatever it is isn't huge.

It's an interesting question...

If generally someone gets bowled then they are more likely to get out, if LBW, then probably makes no difference. If they edge, then if there's no edge there less likely, however if generally thick edges, probably just as likely.

I'm not sure the argument about bat width stands up. Bat length certainly does though. Get the bounce right and with a Mongoose you are in all sorts of trouble. As I said in both reviews, makes you move your feet

be interesting how a corr3 and bulldog compare, their adult bats.

I suspect there would be very little difference.

[Tom]

It's an interesting question...

If generally someone gets bowled then they are more likely to get out, if LBW, then probably makes no difference. If they edge, then if there's no edge there less likely, however if generally thick edges, probably just as likely.

I'm not sure the argument about bat width stands up. Bat length certainly does though. Get the bounce right and with a Mongoose you are in all sorts of trouble. As I said in both reviews, makes you move your feet
I suspect there would be very little difference.

There is pretty much the same probability of edging a ball with a Joker or standard bat. Balls which you'd thick edge with a standard bat become thin nicks which fly to the keeper. You are ever so slightly more likely to miss the ball though.

And with a Mongoose if you're playing defensive strokes against chest high bouncers, then it's not the bat to use. But when you're looking to attack, as Gareth Andrew did in the Pro40 against Tremlett and as he did against Finn in their CC Div 2 game (http://www.flickr.com/photos/24793373@N07/4993578440/). Then there are benefits to the shorter blade.

[uknsaunders]

Less face means you're more likely to miss it and therefore more likely to get out. Otherwise we'd all be using middling bats.

That said a 6mm diff or whatever it is isn't huge.

Good point about middling bats, but if this is a mainstream bat then 6mm does make a difference. My main issue is if it's a harrow width, it should say that on the website and not cover it with marketing speak. Then everyone knows where they stand.