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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: johnnyw on August 26, 2011, 02:12:50 PM
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/england-v-india-2011/content/current/story/529919.html
Nice squads even though I would prefer Taylor to Stokes. Great to see Buttler included aswell
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I don't understand KP being "Rested"... unless he asked for a break, which doesn't seem likely.
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Would prefer Taylor to Bopara..How many more chances is Bopara going to get to fail over and over again?
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happy with the Buttler and Hales included would have liked to have seen them in the odi
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peitersen may well be nursing an injury, or that he has been left out as the england management think that they can blood some youth as this will be a walkover series.
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Ok - so snicko picked up the edge on Dravid's bat! And replays show that his bat was nowhere near anything other than the ball on this occasion (no laces anywhere! ;) ) But there was no hotspot due to the nick being soft enough!
And there looked to be no real diviation either. Therefore with no hotspot, should they have given Dravid the beneift of the doubt? Or should they have just gone by snicko only?
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they dont use snicko though do they?
it was the right decision brought about the wrong way, probably a bit hard done by to be given out on the evidence they'd see, however it was in fact the correct decision, if that makes sense!
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They don't use snicko directly but the 3rd umpire listened and heard the nick, which snicko then backed up anyway.
But to me there are at least 4 considerations
1. Umpires decision
2. Noise
3. Deviation
4. Hotspot
So if there is only one clue to him nicking it (a very light noise) with nothing else to back it up then the 3rd umpire was brave to go by the single consideration. Although according to the commentory the 3rd umpire did say that he saw some deviation as well ???
So do you think that there should be more evidence before overturning the on-field umpire?
It's a controversal decision I reckon but as you say Sam - in this case it was the correct decision.
They are still discussing the rights and wrongs on Sky! ;)
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Not sure what the weathers like at the rose bowl today but cant see there being much play..
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http://uk.weather.com/weather/hourByHour-UKXX0138?cm_ven=cricinfo_UK&cm_cat=scores&cm_ite=weather&cm_pla=cc
Doubt there will be much play till later this evening
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I'm 20 minutes from there and it's been raining all morning but is clearing up now!
It is due to be brighter this afternoon 8)
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Apparently it's blowing a gale. Any confirmation Pete?
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Yep - it calmed down here for 20 minutes but looking outside, it's started up again!!
Very windy and not nice! But on the plus side, it's very windy but not currently raining! ???
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Am also 20 or so mins from ground The Hoskinator. In Verwood Near Ringwood, You?
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So basically this match is going to be canned...? Or turn into a T20...
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In Eastleigh at the moment at work - 15 minutes away and a couple of guys have gone, although they may be disappointed! :(
Live in Oxfordshire but have been contracting here for 6 months :D
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Who's been injured in the England team?
23 overs a side, does cook keep the captaincy or do they give it to someone else because he's not going to play?
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Morgan. He's out of the ODI series with a shoulder injury i think.
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Morgan. He's out of the ODI series with a shoulder injury i think.
That's a big loss. He's vital for the ODI and pulls us out of the crap quite often. Going to be interesting now to see how the others step up.
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Who to replace him in the remaining games? One of Bopara or Patel i'd assume with Trott coming back in for one of them
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Who to replace him in the remaining games? One of Bopara or Patel i'd assume with Trott coming back in for one of them
Probably be Bopara since he's in favour.
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the Indians may not be sure about test match batting, but they can seriously hit the ball in the short form. that new opener looks good and has a first class average of 67, after 48 first class matches which suggests some talent...
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Cook mixing some class shots with a few panicked ones. Very interesting to see how he copes if he gets bogged down
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they are suggesting c k's bat is a monster on the radio! they want to know what sobers would be like with these modern bats...
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At least england have got a flyer now so cook can settle down a small bit a play his own game
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Cripes! Sounds like India haven't started too well!
I knew I should have worked from home today!
Seriously though, I would have been interested to see how Kholi and Raina adapt their game now that 3 wickets have fallen quickly! It will be a real test for Raina in particular I reckon as he's likes playing an attacking game!
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pete, it seems they didnt cope or adapt too well! haha
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Kholi and rains didn't but the others did! ;)
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I've been suprised by the speeds finn has been clocking, average of 91.6mph and a few delivery's in the 94's
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Great effort Raina and Dhoni... 109 runs off the last 10 overs
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we need dernbach :/
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We need a batsman rather that stokes!!! He hasn't been bowling so why play him!!
He's not ready for it and too inexperienced! Bring him back in a year or two when he's more ready! And in the meantime let's get a batsman in? ???
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Stay by the phone then pete
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So many players better suited to the role, i'd have jos buttler in over stokes
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Anyone's game now!! If swanny and Ravi stay in then England!
But if one goes then India should be favourite!
Close game!! :o
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I don't trust Finn or Anderson, I hope rain doesn't stop and this game is tied and England whoops Indias @55 in last game
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Awful umpiring, they go off for rain, come back on, and the rain becomes worse than what they went off for and they stay on, forced england to lose those 2 wickets and then they go off, ridiculous
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The rain looks very heavy now...
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Not going to come back out me thinks as can't play past 630
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It is tied and England has won the series
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Not going to come back out me thinks as can't play past 630
There is no such thing as "cant" IF it stops raining and the lights are on. People have paid big big bucks to enter Lords and its a joke that they wont wait longer than 6.30 when a result could be achieved and there are crowds waiting. Just another example how the paying public get screwed all day long in England.
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you gotta draw the line somewhere mate...
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PM7 how much is ticket cost roughly at Lords?
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Just speaking my mind as a punter that has been done a few times by the rain and unflexibility in the schedule.
Todays match cant be finished as the weather is shocking so fair enough. :(
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PM7 how much is ticket cost roughly at Lords?
Todays match on if you didnt/couldnt buy it direct from Lords would have sold for approx £200 per ticket from a 3rd party.
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I fully agree there should be more flexibility but the icc say half hour grace end of so nothing ecb or lords can do
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Inflexibility.
In this case I can understand it because it looked like the rain was set in, but why is the rule today so different from how it was the other night when they played late into the night? As ever there seems to be a destinct lack of common sense and flexibility. Surely a result is better than a tie.
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Todays match on if you didnt/couldnt buy it direct from Lords would have sold for approx £200 per ticket from a 3rd party.
Wow! And Lords directly?
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Now being suggested by the Indian fans that the umpires and England conspired to prevent India winning by going off when England faced an IMPOSSIBLE 10 off 7. :D :D :D
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Where is that being said?
£60 a ticket is lords usual price I thought
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Where is that being said?
£60 a ticket is lords usual price I thought
I assume that's on the day
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Not sure buzz is the man for these questions
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Where is that being said?
£60 a ticket is lords usual price I thought
Very few people actually pay face value for a ticket, search Gumtree, Ebay or ask a tout at the ground and you would be surprised. Lords and Oval have the highest prices for ODI and Tests and are always sold out months in advance. Ive paid £100 for the Oval Test directly from the Oval and £88 from Lords and I was lucky. There is no cricket ground in the world that charges these prices and still sell out so that must tell you something.
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Eng played to the d-l score the information was on the scoreboard, so both teams had the information.
on ticket prices the probably were.between 55 and 80 depending where you were sitting. free for full and playing members as it is part of the annual fee.
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i was at the Oval Friday with 2 Indian mates and we all paid just under £60.00 per ticket 5 rows from the pitch at the side.W
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sorry i was at the Oval friday and it was a fantastic atmosphere,aside from 2 blokes getting chucked out by the police for fighting it was a great day,ticket were just under 60 quid each and we paid 100 for 1 day of the test match at Lords.
Spent double that in alcohol thou.
The Indian fans were amazing it's a shame their board and their players have let them down this summer.Next time they might realise 1 warm up match in our conditions won't be enough.And even Strauss played in that game to get some practice.
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Very few people actually pay face value for a ticket, search Gumtree, Ebay or ask a tout at the ground and you would be surprised. Lords and Oval have the highest prices for ODI and Tests and are always sold out months in advance. Ive paid £100 for the Oval Test directly from the Oval and £88 from Lords and I was lucky. There is no cricket ground in the world that charges these prices and still sell out so that must tell you something.
If you buy from a tout/third Party on the day, prices are hi. If you buy direct from Lord's you don't pay a stupid amount (although I'd agree it's too much). when I went to the Lord's Test v India, I paid £75 per ticket, 4 rows from the grass in the grandstand at Square Leg. Ok, it's a fair amount, but it was worth it!
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A little quote from the BBC website that made me chuckle:
"Samit Patel is a step back to the bad old days of bits and pieces cricketers whose bits aren't good enough and who go to pieces when the pressure is on. Pick a proper batter or bowler!"
I could not agree more!
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India have to be careful, they might end up winning this one.
I don't get D/L either. How can trimming 10 overs off result in needing 30 less when their run rate was 6+
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@Colesy, normally the side batting second get the advantage of D/L, I think it's quite good that the side which bat first get an advantage for once.
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Rematch starts at 10
India are batting first after winning the toss
Teams: India XI: Gambhir, Parthiv, Rahane, Kohli, Dhoni, Raina, Jadeja, Ashwin, Praveen, Vinay, Umesh Yadav
England XI: Cook, Kieswetter, Trott, KP, Bopara, Bairstow, Patel, Bresnan, Swann, Finn and Dernbach
so Bell dropped for KP, Finn in for Anderson from the last ODI we played
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Phone commentary by Bumble due to loss of picture. Only Bumble could make it sound exciting, legend!
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Phone commentary by Bumble due to loss of picture. Only Bumble could make it sound exciting, legend!
Bumble and TMS obviously...!!!
Also no DRS for this series and the host broadcaster has been told not to show Hawkeye replays even as a guide for viewers!
Trott drops a catch off Finn - grr
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India 2 down now... Swann wicket in his first over again!
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Come on Trotty !
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if anyone on here can give me a rational explanation why Ian Bell is not in our team i'd like to hear it.
The best timer of a ball since David Gower.
You don't have to slog to get runs at the top or the order
answers on a postcard please!
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bell in, kp out is my way of thinking.
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kp, patel and bopara out. Bell butler and borthwick in.
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Why not Bell in for Kieswetter to open the batting? Bairstow is a decent gloveman and can certainly do the job.
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I think we've lost this one boys
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This Indian commentator is staring to do my nut in that ball to swan kept really low but saying he had no clue no footwork talk about singing when your on top what happened a few months ago muppet
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Good old England and their ODI collapses.
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I think we've lost this one boys
you don't say!
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hummmm new England team, new odi rules, same old thrashing in a sub-continent game.
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The Indian commentators are so biased, its actually hard to listen to
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hummmm new England team, new odi rules, same old thrashing in a sub-continent game.
England is giving them freebies, they are playing easy on Flat Track Bullers!!
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Watching the highlights is just impossible, watched about 5 minutes and had to turn off because the indian commentators are so clueless. All of a month ago we absolutely slaughtered them and now theyre going on like they're league's above us.
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If they save a single in the outfield, it's Christmas for them!
I wish Sky had audio options, so you can choose between the biased Indian commentators and the normal ones off TMS.
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What exactly was the deal with the Indian commentary anyway? Sky would get complaints if they were that biased.
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I seem to remember most of the english commentators slating praveen kumar for not being a test match bowler for his lack of pace during the summer. He was called an old fashioned club bowler on many an occasion. The commentaros were having abit of a giggle and laugh at PK. Infact it was abit insulting.This could also have been deemed as being biased. PK'a figures, in my opinion were quite reasonable.
There is always going to be some bias, which ever country you go to, but before we start having a go at others, we should have a look at what our own broadcasters are airing. There should be no double standards
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I agree with don. Every country has biased commentators. Just look at the difference between 9 and Sky during the Ashes. I do find however that Bumble and Hussain are pretty fair although Hussain tends to be a little harsh which I prefer.
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I like Gower and Atherton. I like listening to boycott too, just to listen to him patronising everyone else...makes me laugh, he a character.
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I think there is a very fine line between opinionated and biased. Most commentators will flip flop between the two depending on who is playing who.
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I tend to find a lot of English commentators are often super critical!
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PAH we post a decent total and we are getting smashed AGAIN>>> gggrrrrr
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2 LBWs turned down, would've helped if they used the review system. Oh wait.
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PAH we post a decent total and we are getting smashed AGAIN>>> gggrrrrr
I've spotted a variety of pies in there though, most of which have been fairly meaty...
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Stunning catch from KP, is there hope?
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we are getting battered here
let's hope we get a couple of wickets to slow the rate!
KP great catch
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If only cricket was played in a system that wasn't dominated by one country >:(
Might actually have some progress in the game
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That was Kieswetters fault, if he had kept both hands together it would of stayed in, I bet Buttler and Bairstow are thinking 'I would of had that'
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that's a shocker. Tim bresnan lets one go through his hands :(
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At least England have only taken 3 matches to look competitive on tour as opposed to the 6 that India took in the UK (only including full international matches of course...)...
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Kieswetter kept well today ???
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get buttler in
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At least England have only taken 3 matches to look competitive on tour as opposed to the 6 that India took in the UK (only including full international matches of course...)...
This is a pitch that had a bit of green top, which suited the english. If the oval was 1st up then India would have looked competitive from game 1
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This is a pitch that had a bit of green top, which suited the english. If the oval was 1st up then India would have looked competitive from game 1
You're not Indian by any chance?
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Disappointing to watch!
Do we have a 'death' bowler? I thought Dernbach was good in this role during the domestic season but had a mare of a last over.
Now the series is lost bring in some fringe talent/youth.
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Why didn't Dernbach play like this in the CB40 final!
All joking aside, I think England should get their youngsters in; after all they are playing for dead rubber from now on/
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humm might have been useful if we hadn't blocked 45 of the first 60 balls then.
talking of balls. dhoni's are the biggest in the business, fattus' included!
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that's a great run chase from india,not sure if i want to watch the highlights or not!!
i guess people will be talking about trott's innings now
hopefully ian bell will get a chance. I was not sure about cook as skipper i think athers had a very good point when he was appointed,and he got slated for his opinion
i dont think england can play cook,trott,ravi bops in the same team and it will work.
credit to india thou,they have out played us
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This is a pitch that had a bit of green top, which suited the english. If the oval was 1st up then India would have looked competitive from game 1
As competitive as taking two innings to not score 591 runs even though they'd been in the UK for a month by then?
Aside from that, we still don't finish an innings well, and I don't think we are bowling or batting as well as we can or should. Maybe that's just me though...
Bell for Bopara and Bairstow for Kieswetter?
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bell has got to come in now i reckon
bairstow is a decent keeper im not sure he is top class but we have to do something to strengthen the side.
i think you should have youre best 2 opening the batting,it's not that different from club cricket, best technique up front and those that can 'get on with it' lower down.
we've missed eoin morgan i reckon but India has played very very well.
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did anyone see bresnan snatching his cap off the umpire?
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This is a pitch that had a bit of green top, which suited the english. If the oval was 1st up then India would have looked competitive from game 1
Are you serious, 598 runs for 9 wickets down and you're telling me it was a green top!
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tinge of green......
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How can touring effect your fielding so much?
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did anyone see bresnan snatching his cap off the umpire?
Yeah, was after the overthrows from bairstow, which I think he was entitles to go for personally.
I can understand why he has, young player wants to assert himself, get a foot int he team, a run out in that game he would have been a hero and taken on by all the players. a bit like joining any new club i guess.
People say bairstow isnt the greatest keeper, i would have put him down to take 1/2 of the dropped catches and make the run out today. give him a test, see how he goes, let him get some experience at international and indian pitches level.
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Bell in...finally
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KP has a broken thumb.
still we are going to get thrashed.
again.
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did you see the warm up where the ball hit kp's injured thumb???
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Anyone see Kieswetter's miss? ???
Looked like he tried to repeat the trick of last game when only a simple take above his head would do...
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Right chaps - as game 3 was the only game we came anywhere near on these wickets, I thought we could have some predictions.
India will win this one, especially with the start they have and the fact that all the pressure is on England. So I will start with................
India score - 327 (or maybe more) for 6 or 7 wickets.
England score - 217 AO
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this might help...
Eden Gardens, KolkataName: Eden Gardens, Kolkata
Country: India
City: Kolkata
Ends: High Court End and Pavilion End
Capacity: 90000
Established: 1864One Day International RecordsFirst Match February 18, 1987 - Pakistan beat India by 2 wickets
Last Match March 20, 2011 - Zimbabwe beat Kenya by 161 runs
Matches 25
Home Team Wins 9
Away Team Wins 6
Neutral Team Wins 9
Matches Tied 0
No Result 1
Most Successful Team India - 9 wins
Highest Innigs score 317/3 by India on December 24, 2009 - India beat Sri Lanka by 7 wickets
Lowest Innings Score 123/10 by West Indies on November 27, 1993 - India beat West Indies by 102 runs
Wins Batting First 13
Wins Batting Second 11
Average Innings Score 221
Most Prolific Batsman Sachin Tendulkar (496 runs)
Highest Individual Score 150* by Gautam Gambhir v Sri Lanka on December 24, 2009 - India beat Sri Lanka by 7 wickets
Most Successful Bowler Anil Kumble (14 wickets)
Best Bowling Analysis 6/12 by Anil Kumble v West Indies on November 27, 1993 - India beat West Indies by 102 runs
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I think that India will lose a cluster of wickets and manage to scrape their way to 289-8
England will start well in the chase but finish 260-odd all out.
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India 305-6 (MS Doni not out 78)
Eng 190ao in 45overs.
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Top ball and a top over!! 8)
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Great stuff from Finn
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he softened kohli up as a cook tenderises meat
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The set man has gone now - what do I get if my prediction is right?
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Respect and adouration! ;)
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Cracking catch from Kieswetter. From one extreme to the other eh! ;)
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That was an awesome over by Finn, he set kohli up very well for the leave
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I can't stand the commentators!
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But it's not on Sky Go, which is very annoying.
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Kieswetter is absolutely terrible with the gloves, Bairstow definitely deserves a go.
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How good was the Dhoni cover driver
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Dhoni just destroyed Meaker! I agree Kieswetter is having an awful series.
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Kieswetter seems to be having trouble with his footwork and timing
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But it's not on Sky Go, which is very annoying.
I agree I had to get out of bed and watch it on the sofa instead :)
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I agree I had to get out of bed and watch it on the sofa instead :)
:p I can't watch it on the sofa in the office unfortunately.
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It's ridiculous how much power he gets with a flick of his wrists.
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Obviously using a TK lam lol
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Dhoni ends with 75 from 69 balls. At one stage he had 25 from 43....
I think India have got 30 more than they should have here.
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Obviously using a TK lam lol
Careful you'll have Jon worrying that Spooks will be whisking you away to a small coastal installation for interrogation! 8) ;):(
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Kieswetter needs a big innings!
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OK - I was a little wrong and misjudged the wicket a bit!
Therefore England 183 AO in reply.
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Kieswetter has had 3 different pairs of gloves in 9 overs!
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OK - I was a little wrong and misjudged the wicket a bit!
Therefore England 183 AO in reply.
They'd have to do a Somerset to reach that now. Really good foundations here.
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England have somehow managed to lose wickets in a cluster again
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They'd have to do a Somerset to reach that now. Really good foundations here.
D'oh
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The stage is set now, Patel has to prove himself by winning the match for England.
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Shambles
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What a flaming disaster...
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The stage is set now, Patel has to prove himself by winning the match for England.
Already proved himself, 70 off 43 balls to give England their first (and only) decent total all series? Bowled well without much reward all series?
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Already proved himself, 70 off 43 balls to give England their first (and only) decent total all series? Bowled well without much reward all series?
Prove himself again :)
Edit: He's just gone now, so game over now surely.
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OK - I was a little wrong and misjudged the wicket a bit!
Therefore England 183 AO in reply.
174-9 now... you're the closest!
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And I think I posted the 183AO score when England had started well!?
Did I win a prize? ;)
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India 305-6 (MS Doni not out 78)
Eng 190ao in 45overs.
not a million miles away really. plus I didn't revise my Target...
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You were pretty close in all respects fella!