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General Cricket => Your Cricket => Topic started by: no1northernbloke on December 28, 2011, 11:26:02 AM
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Just wondering what people's thoughts are....
If you nick a thin one early on in your innings do you walk? If you don't walk do you still give some stick to an oppo batsmen that does the same?
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Yes I have always walked bar one or two incidents. Might change my mind after the amount of bad decisions I got last year! Cricket should be played in that sort of spirit I think, most people will disagree I'm sure.
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Have always walked since I saved a game having not walked when I was 16. Had too much guilt on that occasion, and particularly when the umpires are either players or amateurs, I think it helps them to take the decision out of their hands.
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In my view, what goes around comes around. You're bound to get bad decisions, so when you get lucky (i.e nick one and get given not out) make the most of it!
However I will add, this only applies with Official Umpires, if it is teammates umpiring I will walk
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as above no i dont!
u get to many bad decisions to walk every time
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I walk everytime as don't feel right not doing but some lads I know don't and that's up to them but I like to give serious abuse out so would feel like a hypocrite if I stood there
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depends on the feel of the game, if theres needle ill stand my ground, if theyre a nice bunch of lads its bat under the arm.
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On Sundays I walk, League games...sometimes...
...alway - ALWAYS - sledge the guy that doesn't!
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depends on the feel of the game, if theres needle ill stand my ground, if theyre a nice bunch of lads its bat under the arm.
Totally understand that!
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You get enough dodgy decisions, like someone else said if it's a decent set of lads i'll walk, if they are less than savoury then i'll stand there all day.
To be honest, i'd even check with the umpire if i was clean bowled.
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To be honest, i'd even check with the umpire if i was clean bowled.
Haha, my teammate didn't walk once when he edge to second slip!
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don't walk unless I smash the cover off it. As with the other guys I have had too many shockers to be noble about it. ie.
1. Left arm over bowls it half way down the track, low bouncing deck and it hits me just above the knee roll. It's not swung, never pitched on the stumps - out?
2. Father/son combo - hows that Dad, that's out son. Foot well down the track outside off - out?
People cheat all the time and there is no point taking the high ground as you only end up losing. I got some fearful stick in a league game last season for a slight glove that the umpire didn't hear. This team of saints had already turned down 3 plumb lbws when we bowled to further their cause, why should they continue to benefit from cheating? I batted on and we won, as we would of done much earlier if they had given our lbws.
Will add that a fair/decent oppo makes a difference to walking, as does playing sundays.
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I used to be in the bat under arm camp but after some of the decisions I saw last season, I can't deny changing my mind - eg, the lad who managed to inside edge a looping outswinger so that the keeper took it diving down the leg side only for their umpire to give him not out, or the lad who ponied one up to mid off and got away with it because it "hadn't carried" even though the lad who caught it took it six inches off the deck...
...worst thing is, the TVL is way better than any of the Middlesex leagues for this sort of thing!
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I walked every occasion last year I knew id hit it. Sometimes when I wasn't sure I stood my ground tho
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depends who is umpiring, if its one of the lads like on a sunday then il always walk, as it makes them look stupid if you dont. but when theres an umpire on a thursday or saturday, its there job to give you out, so if they dont, they dont
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People cheat all the time and there is no point taking the high ground as you only end up losing. I got some fearful stick in a league game last season for a slight glove that the umpire didn't hear. This team of saints had already turned down 3 plumb lbws when we bowled to further their cause, why should they continue to benefit from cheating? I batted on and we won, as we would of done much earlier if they had given our lbws.
That sort of thing really annoys the hell out of me - we played a side a couple of years back who gave literally nothing - including their skipper getting away with being caught at slip, three fine edges to the keeper, a catch off the glove at short leg, several LBWs and one call of dead ball when their star batsman was about to be run out by the length of the pitch. Then when we batted, they questioned every single decision, even though the vast majority were appeals from their left armer who wanted to bowl big offies over the wicket and get LBWs.
Seamer bowls a big inducker that goes off a thin edge onto my pad and rebounds back to him. He appeals for the LBW, umpire turns him down...
...end of the over one of his team mates points out that I may have hit it without cottoning that the ball had gone straight back...and the lad starts giving me all kinds of abuse! :D
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I don't think I would play cricket if we didn't have official umpires.
What is the reason for you having to umpire your own games? Lack of umpires or cost?
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lack of umpires. It is crap as unless you play a like minded side who play fair.
My father umpires Homes Counties Premier League and he doesn't like doing lower levels. Lower levels, according to him, are full of players who rate themselves and make the umpires life a complete pain.
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We're lucky I suppose that we have neutral league umpires. If it was a friendly then I'd definitely walk, but in a league match it depends on how blatant the nick is and who we're playing against as I've played against the same players/teams for a long time.
Used to walk for everything, but now as I say it depends....
On the flip side it you do nick it and don't get given, it's always worth a quick word with the umpire at the non strikers end along the line of 'You know what 'insert team' are like, they appeal for everything - glad you've got the balls to stand up against them'
:)
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To be fair, all of our ones games and over half of our twos and threes had umpires last year - it always seems to kick off on the weeks that don't!
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We're lucky I suppose that we have neutral league umpires. If it was a friendly then I'd definitely walk, but in a league match it depends on how blatant the nick is and who we're playing against as I've played against the same players/teams for a long time.
Used to walk for everything, but now as I say it depends....
On the flip side it you do nick it and don't get given, it's always worth a quick word with the umpire at the non strikers end along the line of 'You know what 'insert team' are like, they appeal for everything - glad you've got the balls to stand up against them'
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Definitely worth buttering a few umpires up in our league! A trick that one of our old players used to do (he was a bit of a league legend, piling the runs up and I used to look up to him as a kid) was to give the umpire his keys at the start of the game for him to look after them. Then used to get the patter flowing asking how he is etc etc. Rarely saw him get out LBW! Who do you play for no1northernbloke as I play in Lancashire.
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Definitely worth buttering a few umpires up in our league!
Yep, 'make the umpire your friend' was the saying of another local legend who played here. He used to brew them a cup of tea each before each home game. He could be hit bang in front and all three being knoecked out the ground, but his reputation and the work he put in with the umpires meant that it'd be just sliding down leg.
Play in Leicestershire, northernbloke thing is from when I had a spell in Bristol and was christened it. Netted with a team down there, but can't remember the name now.... Steve Jenkins and his brother played for them (back in 1999), but I moved back up before the start of the season
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full of players who rate themselves and make the umpires life a complete pain.
you rang.....? lol
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no simmy I meant seriously deluded, bordering on South African levels of self belief lol
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What goes around comes around, For each time I have walked I have somebody walk when I had the caught behind. Apart from one guy >:(but im sure he will get his one day...
Oh and always be nice to the umpires....Always ;)
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no simmy I meant seriously deluded, bordering on South African levels of self belief lol
Can you elaborate a little on the South African self belief?????
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Definitely worth buttering a few umpires up in our league! A trick that one of our old players used to do (he was a bit of a league legend, piling the runs up and I used to look up to him as a kid) was to give the umpire his keys at the start of the game for him to look after them. Then used to get the patter flowing asking how he is etc etc. Rarely saw him get out LBW! Who do you play for no1northernbloke as I play in Lancashire.
In our area, I (along with most guys I play with/have played with) am on good terms with the umpires, the more light-hearted banter works with them, I got an unhealthy amount of LBW decisions given for an SLA last season!
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In our area, I (along with most guys I play with/have played with) am on good terms with the umpires, the more light-hearted banter works with them, I got an unhealthy amount of LBW decisions given for an SLA last season!
can you remember my special relationship with bob?
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Normally depends on the situation and type of game etc. Dont walk on 99, 0 or anything similar, also if i've been out of form will sponge it up and not walk, But being a keeper am always prepared for the stick if i don't.
Likewise if you don't walk and i have caught you, then it is time for a 'chat'. :/
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Can you elaborate a little on the South African self belief?????
I've played with some lovely Saffas but I've known a few who have used their ego more than their brains against the oppo. Typical example would trying to take the batsmans head off on puddings when line and length would be better. It's a good trait as well, believing in yourself, but tends to be the Saffas that typify it more than others.
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ITypical example would trying to take the batsmans head off on puddings when line and length would be better.
LOL Remember playing against one such SA gentleman. Sharpish, but on a complete pudding it went like this....
Ball 3 pitched up driven four four.
'That's it, no more in your half you ****
Ball 4 Bumper, pulled into the houses for six
Me - 'Cmon you can bowl faster than that - put your back into it'
Ball 5 - Shorter and faster, but pudding of a wicket meant it got pulled into the houses again
Me 'No pace today then mate?'
Him Something in Afrikaan
Ball 6 - About hit his toe and I sniggered as I put the ball into the houses again.
Me - you'll put your back out like that, go and fetch the ball son and have a blow after, think you're done for a while. :) :) :)
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I never walk simply because I enjoy batting too much to go unless I have to.
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I've played with some lovely Saffas but I've known a few who have used their ego more than their brains against the oppo. Typical example would trying to take the batsmans head off on puddings when line and length would be better. It's a good trait as well, believing in yourself, but tends to be the Saffas that typify it more than others.
Very true and well said I to have seen it many times...
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Most of the old school batters I know walk, but most of the younger generation swear 'they've never hit' and would 'walk if they hit it'. I don't blame them tho if their Hero's aren't walking then they won't. A video should be shown to the youngsters before a ball is bowled about Adam Gilchrists etiquette and Respect for the game in '03 against Sri Lanka. That epitomises what cricket is all about. Reading this back I sound like a deranged old man but I'm 26 lol, I've always walked until a couple years back when a rival batsman stood his ground after nearly cutting it to 2nd slip. I now walk against every team bar that one. :D
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I always used to walk, but after getting a few bad decisions, like getting given caught behind after it hit me on the elbow. I choose not to now. Obviously unless it finds 4th slips hands head height.
Also it depends who your playing against sometimes, as some teams are complete (insert words here)
I know that isn't the correct attitude, and I will probably get stick for it, but some teams don't deserve my wicket :D
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Stick not you Tom ;)
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Most of the old school batters I know walk, but most of the younger generation swear 'they've never hit' and would 'walk if they hit it'. I don't blame them tho if their Hero's aren't walking then they won't. A video should be shown to the youngsters before a ball is bowled about Adam Gilchrists etiquette and Respect for the game in '03 against Sri Lanka. That epitomises what cricket is all about. Reading this back I sound like a deranged old man but I'm 26 lol, I've always walked until a couple years back when a rival batsman stood his ground after nearly cutting it to 2nd slip. I now walk against every team bar that one. :D
The Gilchrist myth makes me laugh. I'm pretty sure you'll find a few occasions when he's smashed it to slip and not walked. Alot of the "walk when I hit it" started during Steve Waugh's reign as skipper, when mental disintegration was at it's worst and the Aussies where getting alot of bad press for their tactics. Show me an aussie who walks and I'll show you a flying pig. Played with plenty and unless they cut it to point, they never walk. Played a cup game against Wetherby a couple of years ago. We made 90 odd and Wetherby (5 divisions higher) were 20-2 when their overseas aussie smashed it to the keeper. It couldn't hit anything else, he was cutting it lol. The umpire was as deaf as a door post and gave it not out, the aussie went on to score all their runs :-(
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LOL Remember playing against one such SA gentleman. Sharpish, but on a complete pudding it went like this....
Ball 3 pitched up driven four four.
'That's it, no more in your half you ****
Ball 4 Bumper, pulled into the houses for six
Me - 'Cmon you can bowl faster than that - put your back into it'
Ball 5 - Shorter and faster, but pudding of a wicket meant it got pulled into the houses again
Me 'No pace today then mate?'
Him Something in Afrikaan
Ball 6 - About hit his toe and I sniggered as I put the ball into the houses again.
Me - you'll put your back out like that, go and fetch the ball son and have a blow after, think you're done for a while. :) :) :)
Haha that's hilarious mate! How many runs did you get that day?
There's one team we played last year (Harrow 3s) who were full of South Africans. Safe to say they were a fiery bunch..
In friendlies, if I know I've hit it I always walk. League games I tend to walk, there was one game I held my ground last year but that was just to check that the ball carried as it was a miracle catch by the keeper inside edge diving one handed to his left...
I have never consciously hit it and not walked if I know it's carried. I will continue that way until I get a couple of bad decisions, and in about 5 years if you ask me I won't be walking in the league! Maybe it's the wrong thing to do from a club point of view, cause getting out on 30-40 when you could have got a big 100 to win the game can be the difference between promotion and relegation etc...
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We sometimes have to umpire our own matches and I find that being a charming chap when you first meet and greet the opposition - enquiring about the health of the family, how busy the roads were etc and then winning the toss and bowling is an excellent tactic ;)
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I was taught from a young age by our previous club coach to always walk. So that it what I do, even if at times I regret doing it as could have gone on to make a big score. I personally believe that it even's itself out by the end of the season, the good and bad luck.
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The Gilchrist myth makes me laugh. I'm pretty sure you'll find a few occasions when he's smashed it to slip and not walked. Alot of the "walk when I hit it" started during Steve Waugh's reign as skipper, when mental disintegration was at it's worst and the Aussies where getting alot of bad press for their tactics. Show me an aussie who walks and I'll show you a flying pig. Played with plenty and unless they cut it to point, they never walk. Played a cup game against Wetherby a couple of years ago. We made 90 odd and Wetherby (5 divisions higher) were 20-2 when their overseas aussie smashed it to the keeper. It couldn't hit anything else, he was cutting it lol. The umpire was as deaf as a door post and gave it not out, the aussie went on to score all their runs :-(
Agreed. Now here is the flying pig; now show me an Aussie who walked (apart from Gilly)..lol
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/09/Flying_pig_hell_freezing.jpg)
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:D
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:o flying pig???? :D :D
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In my view, what goes around comes around. You're bound to get bad decisions, so when you get lucky (i.e nick one and get given not out) make the most of it!
Haha, first time I've heard "what goes around comes around, so don't ever take the moral highground" :P Haha
I've always walked, if I wanted to be a deceptive (No Swearing Please), I'd play poker, not cricket
The whole "i get bad decisions" is an epic cop out. Umpires don't make mistakes unless batsmen do.
Noone has ever been given caught behind leaving or lbw hitting a 4 through midwicket.
I always have a laugh at people who feel they are so unlucky given caught behind. If you are swinging and missing, its not the umpire who is having a poor game and making bad decisions.
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Noone has ever been given caught behind leaving or lbw hitting a 4 through midwicket.
erm, actually I have. Twice. Once there was a sound (the keeper suggested it might have brushed the stumps) the other time I was nowhere near the ball!
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personally iv only ever been in a situation where i could have walked once, and this was playing for a mates 3rd team as i went to leave a ball and nicked it on way to keeper. old umpire didnt pick up on the nick so i just stood there with an exagerated leave (mind the spelling)
it frustrates me at times when it really matters tho. for example our no.3 is a class act, older bloke and has always walked, and always advised our youngsters and juniors to walk. but in one important game whilst set he was wrongly given out caught behind after hitting the floor. you can imagine his frustration, and ours watching from the sideline knowing that if there was a genuine edge he would have walked
we then went on to lose the game
i cant decide whats best to do, like some people have stated its swings and roundabouts. you get some bad decisions which may influence you not to walk in the future. but then again its not really within the spirit of the game and doesnt reflect well on yourself from an oppositions point of view
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Haha, first time I've heard "what goes around comes around, so don't ever take the moral highground" :P Haha
I've always walked, if I wanted to be a deceptive (No Swearing Please), I'd play poker, not cricket
The whole "i get bad decisions" is an epic cop out. Umpires don't make mistakes unless batsmen do.
Noone has ever been given caught behind leaving or lbw hitting a 4 through midwicket.
I always have a laugh at people who feel they are so unlucky given caught behind. If you are swinging and missing, its not the umpire who is having a poor game and making bad decisions.
its ok saying that but im refuring to stumpings and run outs
not jus caught behind and lbw.
the amount of times ive had stumpings last year and i no they where out and and the umpire has not given it so no chance i am walking if its a small nick
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I walk if I feather it through to the keeper. They hear it behind me and I hear it, so why bother to wait for the correct decision! Plus, if the Umpire didn't give it, then the keeper, slips and I would know, so it would be worse to stay!!! For LBW I leave it to the Umpire to decide, as they have a better view than me.
I have been given out twice last season when I know I wasn't out - once when it missed the ball and because it swung as it went past my bat, the keeper claimed the catch and the umpire gave it even though I had missed!! And the second time was LBW when I took a huge step forward and to leg side (where the ball was heading) and it hit my thigh (I'm 6'3+) so it was too high, too leg-side, and I was down the track! But was still given!!
Actually just remembered a third.....full toss and I raised my arms and bat up otherwise it would have hit me around the bicep area. It deflected from my left are downwards and just caught the bail as it went through. And a no-ball wasn't called from the square leg umpire!!! I wouldn't mind but the bowler apologised straight away for bowling a huge no ball and the square leg umpire was on my team......D1ckhead!!
But I'm sure I've also had the benefit of the doubt occasionally too!!
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its ok saying that but im refuring to stumpings and run outs
not jus caught behind and lbw.
the amount of times ive had stumpings last year and i no they where out and and the umpire has not given it so no chance i am walking if its a small nick
find me a keeper who doesnt think every stumping thye claim is out ;)
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Always walk and always have. We are fortunate to have an umpire for the seconds I play in who umpires almost every game. To be fair to him he is very down the line and often will be biased towards the opposition so that nobody can him acuse him of anything. He knows that I walk and there have been a few occasions including the final game of this season where I have walked and after the innings he admitted that he would not have given me out. But I would like to think that when there are occasions where he thinks I might have nicked it, but I don't walk he doesn't raise his finger.
I know I could not walk after nicking one and he would possibly not give me out, but that would break a hard earned trust. Plus I field in slip most of the game and absolutely hate it when player nick and don't walk. I don't want to be one of them!
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find me a keeper who doesnt think every stumping thye claim is out ;)
when your as good as me mate there allways out ;)
haha
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when your as good as me mate there allways out ;)
haha
i propse we get a 3rd umpire for stumpings and run outs
nothings worse than having a stumping turned down by 75yr old umpire who cant see past the end of his nose
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we once had a bloke at square leg ump texting while their batsmen was stumped 2 foot out his crease coming down the ground. was given no out.