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Companies => Off-the-shelf companies => Gunn & Moore => Topic started by: uknsaunders on January 28, 2012, 05:50:41 PM
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Here's one for the experts. I was trying a GM Icon 808+ that weighed 2'11, I then saw a GM Icon 2'11 (I think it was an 909/Original) and compared the two. Same weight and profile but the 808+ was much thicker, bigger bat edge/toe/spine. Why is the 808+ thicker for a given weight? The shop assistant didn't and looked pretty confused!
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The + is supposed to be a different machine path on the cnc and normally refers to a shape, ie flare and flare+. The 808 simply refers to the grading. If the + weighs the same as the normal one then it was a lucky cleft.
So what you saw were an 808 icon and icon+ rather than an 808+ and an 808.
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Would say that the 808+ was made from a lighter cleft. As all GM bats are made to the same size and the final weight is determined by the density of the cleft.
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my thoughts were that either it was a much lighter cleft - that said it seemed to be as big as GM+ I've seen previously. Or the 808+ weight was incorrect, all weights in Romida are on the top of the handle which is very helpful. However, the pickup didn't feel that far off a 2'11 imho. Though I'm a 2'9 man, I'll shift 1-2oz for a good pickup but the £165 price tag soon stopped any thoughts of buying it.
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my thoughts are that if you find a gm + in 808 or 909 at 2.10 or less you think very seriously about investing!
get that mallet out!
What is also noticeable is that even with the gm ready to play they can still be relatively soft, so need a chunk of knocking in.
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What grades do the + model come in ?
Where best place to look?
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What grades do the + model come in ?
Where best place to look?
808, 909 and Original (LE).
I think Owzat stock them
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Leading Edge Cricket have a 707+ for £131.99
I doubled checked the 808+ weight with Romida. Very speedy response:-
I have just spoken to our Brighouse store who have weighed the bat, it is the top end of 2lb 11oz as Gunn and Moore weigh them without the antiscuff and toeguards on, this does add a little to the final weights but yes it is around the weight the label says. The G&M + bats are made to have a good/lighter pick up but with the advantage of more wood in the bat.
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Uknsaunders. I got a 909 icon+ a few weeks ago and it was worth the money mate. I am also the same and like my bats 2.8/2.9 but I thought I would take a risk with the Icon+ and it was a great decision. As they say it really does have a light pick up and I think my bat is 2.13 but it felt at least 2.10/2.11. Used the bat for the first time in a net the other day and it was pure awesomeness! When it comes out the middle it feels superb. When it comes out the middle the noise is fantastic and the balls just seemed to be flying over the bowlers head most of the session, as I was having so much fun with it!
If you want to know more about it ask mate, But I really do recommend getting the + and going for that 2 or 3 oz heavier.
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get some pics up, share your joy :D
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There you go :)
http://custombats.co.uk/cbforum/index.php?topic=15237.msg243881#msg243881
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I'm such a muppet! Seen that thread before lol
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And just to add my two cents worth: my friend had a Flare + 404---cheap, bleached and with 5 grains; but even that went like a train and many sixes were hit with it. Weighed just under 2.12 but had a great pick up and swing. These are genuine good bats, specially if you find one which is a little light.
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my thoughts are that if you find a gm + in 808 or 909 at 2.10 or less you think very seriously about investing!
and that's what I did. By luck I have found a 2'10.6 GM 808+, which is sitting in my study. 35mm edges - 55mm spine and 7 evenly spaced grains. Possibly could've passed for a G1.
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get some pics up, share your joy :D
What you said :D
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35mm edges - 55mm spine
55mm spine :(?? ???How are you measuring it?.... ???
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Dr Streaky (if I can be so bold as to use this name...!), what should the measurements on a GM Icon + be then according to the DXM machine settings..??
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55mm spine :(?? ???How are you measuring it?.... ???
Badly by the sounds of it, using the ruler app on my mobile from the start of the edge upwards. Including the curve on the face and my dodgy methods it could be 60mm.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-dlBV-hPBb2M/TzJiPIm1mTI/AAAAAAAAEqM/HiDDYP30Ih0/s400/DSC_0952.JPG)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-r33TJeckKa8/TzJiRu0PVkI/AAAAAAAAEqU/wjX5Los9ZYY/s400/DSC_0953.JPG)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-0EmGiKGrYj4/TzJioi7W9tI/AAAAAAAAEqo/c_9daPvZZS8/s400/DSC_0955-1.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-v9aatWuDlU0/TzJitsUHJtI/AAAAAAAAEq0/y7FSzOUjUls/s764/DSC_0954-1.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-8EXaoJvisbI/TzJi9ouiQMI/AAAAAAAAErE/96u3oZ_5XxU/s816/DSC_0956-1.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-_5CrKBUBCMQ/TzJjGd6ap5I/AAAAAAAAErM/B1E9mvH73yk/s520/DSC_0957-1.jpg)
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Here's the 808+ at 2'10.6:-
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-v9aatWuDlU0/TzJitsUHJtI/AAAAAAAAEq0/y7FSzOUjUls/s764/DSC_0954-1.jpg)
and here is the 707 I had at 2'9:-
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-xaAsSNnXSbY/To36NFi-mCI/AAAAAAAACx4/4fqmW9qY1w0/s800/DSC_0747.jpg)
Bear in mind the photos are at different angles and distances. Without a doubt the GM 808+ has more wood on the edges.
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toe comparison, 808+ first again:-
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-_5CrKBUBCMQ/TzJjGd6ap5I/AAAAAAAAErM/B1E9mvH73yk/s520/DSC_0957-1.jpg)
707 next, not my best photo:-
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-rhmgtezsM6s/To36Pelr1UI/AAAAAAAACx8/qJpLXyG4tQE/s800/DSC_0746.jpg)
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Side profile, 808+
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-0EmGiKGrYj4/TzJioi7W9tI/AAAAAAAAEqo/c_9daPvZZS8/s400/DSC_0955-1.jpg)
707:-
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-iTdVRdti4KM/To36SfWfTtI/AAAAAAAACyA/ekFrs1sqL3Q/s400/DSC_0745.jpg)
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Doesn't look any different!
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the side on profile of my 606 is here - I have to admit, I don't see a whole load of difference either...
(http://i895.photobucket.com/albums/ac151/buzzrockport/utf-8BSU1BRzA0MzguanBn.jpg)
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I think the main difference is edge size, from memory my 707 was around 30mm and this is 35mm. I also think the edges are thicker all the way down the bat. If the spine height is the same then it's simply a little less concaving, which to some extent can be seen in the pictures but more apparent in real life.
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Jason did a review of the differences:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEebFGlDj2M
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If you look closely i think there is little concaving on the 808+ compared to 707..so even though it might not look a whole lot bigger than 707 the 808+ actually has more wood...but that could be just me being depth blind :)
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Dr Streaky (if I can be so bold as to use this name...!), what should the measurements on a GM Icon + be then according to the DXM machine settings..??
The GM+ bats (both Flare and Icon) are 3mm to 4mm bigger than the standard shape. Swell on an Icon should be around 67mm (from face to spine - i.e. not from edge to spine) if that makes sense.
David
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just to confirm that Dr Streaky is right and I am crap at measuring. I adopted the well known technique of two cd's and insulating tape with tape measure technique. Couldn't quite get the cd's 100% upright but it's around the 65mm mark, maybe a couple of mm out, from the top of the spine to front of the face:-
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-oxHOW9WKhAg/TzKT2B-2bHI/AAAAAAAAEr4/jFpGy5s2s6U/s400/DSC_0958.JPG)
Before anybody says the tape measure isn't on zero - this pic was for show and no way could I balance a camera, get 2 cd's dead upright and align the tape measure at the same time.
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Before anybody says the tape measure isn't on zero - this pic was for show and no way could I balance a camera, get 2 cd's dead upright and align the tape measure at the same time.
rubbish excuse, try harder next time ;)
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bounced a ball on it and it certainly seems responsive. Just got to borrow a bat hammer and give it a proper knocking in.
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just to confirm that Dr Streaky
Confirmed!
You obviously need to be measuring it at the swell (the biggest part) and have your CD's parallel to each other!
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What I noticed so much about the GM+ Icon is how similar it is to the standard Icon's pick-up. Even with the extra weight which sometimes isn't that noticeable, the pick-up is superb.
Used a 2.14 one at our club and felt no different to the 2.11 one I used the game before, if not slightly better.
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Streaky, any recommendations on knocking it in. Says it's knocked in but my last 707 went back to JJB with a big crack after 2 nets - that was after 30 minutes bat hammering as well.
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Due to the very nature, cricket bats will crack, unfortunately some more so than others - who started making cricket bats out of wood!!
All GM bats are knocked in, if you did want to further knock your bat in, concentrate on the edges (but this should not be necessary), and be gentle - if you hammer to hard you could initiate a crack....
The most important thing is you play your bat in - so use old balls in the nets and don't get Brett Lee to bowl.
So just to summarise - be gentle, don't use new / hard / poor quality balls and don't net with Brett Lee ;)
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I don't think netting with Brett lee would be an issue. The ball would be bouncing back off the net before most of us mere mortals would have seen it. Turnaroundandkickemover :)