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General Cricket => World Cricket => England => Topic started by: golders on August 20, 2012, 09:47:05 AM
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Forgive me if this has been discussed already, but I haven't been on in a bit and so...
With a meeting between Strauss and KP to happen shortly after the end of this test match, and more stuff possibly still to come out about the 'provovative/derogatory text messages to KP's 'close friends' in the SA team, has poor old Kevin gone too far this time? Will he come clean, and will he be forgiven? Some of the stuff I have been hearing, about KP suggesting to the South Africans to bowl round the wicket to Strauss- wow. And calling him a doos- the ultimate Africans insult!Wow. Talk about a serious misjudgement- great piece by Brearley in one of the sunday spreads about KP making some pretty average decisions and being his own worst enemy/destructive etc. Personally, i'd like to see him play again, and I don't believe for a minute that it is ALL his own making.
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if it were someone other than KP, would it have been such a big issue?
I suspect not - Broad has, after all, stepped over the line so often that it is no longer surprising, yet still seems to be treated with reverence.
Was he out of order? Yes.
Should Strauss have been the bigger man and nipped it in the bud? Also yes.
Do they all look a bit like kids in the playground? I'll leave it for you to decide...
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Let's hope so..
More trouble than he's worth!
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I feel the more relevant discussion is whether Strauss is finished with England...
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More trouble than he's worth!
really? I agree he can be a pompous git sometimes, or at least come across that way, but I don't think he is in any way the only one, and I can see why he might feel that he could be better supported by management!
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But was it the managements fault when he fell out with everyone in South Africa, at Notts, at Hants? The first time round with Moores? Either he has had some extremely bad luck with his employers or the fella has too many issues!
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england need pietersen more than pietersen needs england.
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But was it the managements fault when he fell out with everyone in South Africa, at Notts, at Hants? The first time round with Moores? Either he has had some extremely bad luck with his employers or the fella has too many issues!
One out of three, perhaps - he was by all accounts a bit of a twerp when he alienated himself at Notts. But at Hampshire? I don't think he was in the wrong really, it just wasn't working, and he was right about Moores, even if he over judged his own value as skipper!
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That's nonsense - of it were the case why does Pietersen not simply retire and go play IPL in peace?
Players come and go, it's ridiculous to think anyone is bigger than a team, let alone bigger than a country!!
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I would like to say no KP isn't finished as I think England do need KP but I think there are too many egos involved on both sides of the table.
Broad appears to be untouchable.
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does anyone care to elaborate on what Broad has done apart from being a mate of the KP twitter parody guy, bowl innocuous 80 mph ers and generally be a bit of a tit?what else has he done? Does anyone know who it was that chucked all of KP's kit of the changing room balcony when he left Notts?
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Theres a word worse than doos according to our SA
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Theres a word worse than doos according to our SA
I think Doos sums it up quite well..... :)
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does anyone care to elaborate on what Broad has done apart from being a mate of the KP twitter parody guy, bowl innocuous 80 mph ers and generally be a bit of a tit?what else has he done? Does anyone know who it was that chucked all of KP's kit of the changing room balcony when he left Notts?
Jason Gallien
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Jason Gallien
Who was the Notts captain at the time, although it's fair to say that he wasn't the only one looking to get KP out of Notts as soon as possible!
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I think Doos sums it up quite well..... :)
Haha just googled that, it's perfect.
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Or Poos!
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think strauss and england will forgive kp using a word which could be pretty bad,might be pretty harmless but if true he actually texted stein/morkel/kallis and donald,yes donald the best way to get strauss out(round the wicket-it worked) i cant see how he can come back.kp is a fabulous player but has fallen out with most along thw way,he had a point about moores but remember he wanted flower out too-the best manager we have had in cricket.
the only sympathy i have,just a bit,is i think there is truth england have become a bit cliquey in the dressing room.broad/swann/anderson all very good mates.by all accounts all kp talks about is money not england.
jason gallian also smashed his bat into a million pces,notts wanted him out big time
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If I was choosing, yes he would be. He may be arguably the best England batsmen, but that doesn't hide the fact of what he did.
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The text, as far as I understand (as reported by the DM, who bought the original story), told them to nick Strauss off.
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Which, and I'm not defending KP here, I'm bored with guy now, is exactly the same as saying, 'get him out caught' which kind of requires Strauss's help! So, as usual, the press are embellishing everything in order to sell a few more copies. KP has done himself enough damage already, he doesn't really need the tabloids doing it for him.....
If he ever plays for England again he should be forced to go on a Lions tour first.....let's see how much he really wants it shall we!
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Looking at the whole situation im not convinced we will see KP in an England team again, if Strauss and Flower continue i don't believe they will be willing to forgive especially Strauss.
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think strauss and england will forgive kp using a word which could be pretty bad,might be pretty harmless but if true he actually texted stein/morkel/kallis and donald,yes donald the best way to get strauss out(round the wicket-it worked) i cant see how he can come
I'm pretty sure the Yarpies will have worked thisout for themselves long before KP stepping in to offer his "wisdom". Its like Strauss tweeting county skippers of the need to bring on any old non-turning left arm spinner when KP walks out to bat....
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Reading the papers, it is pretty apparent that the issues with KP have stemmed from when he returned from the IPL - remember his team did rather well, and he could have taken his team all the way. I think he has been pressuring the Andrew's and England management the whole Summer - this triggered the initial "retirement" and then the subsequent fiasco.
I am increasingly uncertain that we will see KP in an England shirt for the next 6 months, but he may well return next year.
As for bowling to Strauss and Cook, round the wicket over off stump - it worked for the Aussies in 2006/7 in the forgotten tour, it worked for the Pakistan team in the spot fixing tour, the fact that other teams haven't used the method in between times is their poor planning. As mentioned, KP said nothing new - but the point is that he shouldn't have said anything.
money, greed and fame - never ideal for fostering team spirit...
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money, greed and fame - never ideal for fostering team spirit...
Green is not a becoming shade either...
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Green is not a becoming shade either...
Envy is best defined as a resentful emotion that "occurs when a person lacks another's (perceived) superior quality, achievement or possession and wishes that the other lacked it."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Envy
well that pretty much sums the whole fiasco up... for all parties involved.
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Even if KP does return, I think it will hurt the team more than improve it. Yes, we may get a few more runs in the middle order from one particular batsman, but I struggle to see how this whole fiasco will simply be forgiven and forgotten by all concerned, and I therefore feel it will be difficult for anyone to bat with him. I, for one, would hate batting with someone who I don't like or trust. It would affect my concentration. I don't think the running between the wickets would be especially crisp either. There's bad blood here, and batting with KP will surely be tough for every England batsman. Let's face it, it was hard enough before all this, but if he had any friends left in the team, they've certainly all gone now...