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General Cricket => Latest Matches => Topic started by: joeylough on December 20, 2012, 04:42:51 PM
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Well after the first T20 it looks like the IPL experience has done Morgan good with his captains innings.
First t20 a nice little 5wicket loss. Could be worse...
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Bearing in mind it's essentially our B-Team! Lots of positives for me. Hales looked awesome, Buttler finished the innings really well. Meaker looked very quick, on a proper cricket pitch he'd have been a real handful and Fat Sam played a nice little cameo. Not all bad for me, I couldn't care less about these meaningless T20 games from a result perspective but it's nice to see the young guys coming through.
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Agree with pedals, that's indian's best team and we competed. Thought Morgan's captaincy was pretty poor tbh, Briggs was used in a completely different role that what has made him effective and 3 seamers was madness for me. We lost wickets at crucial times and it cost us. Brilliant from Hales and Meaker (bar the juggling incident) and Buttler. Also was surprised Root didn't play, thought he would've gained some momentum after the good end to the test series.
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Spot on! Briggs, Morgan's captaincy and some sloppy fielding were the only real bad points and I think the experience of these young guys being out their in a hostile enviroment will help their development massively. I bet India wish they could use this series to blood a few young 'hopefuls' and rest their best players... :D
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suprised Bairstow was left out again
do not rate Briggs one bit, didnt see todays game, but what i have seen of him, not impressed, never seen him turn a ball
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good win for India. Its not their fault a b team was put out by Endland. Decent pitch with good pace and bounce. Dhoni as ever, a good finisher. UV looked awesome
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England possibly had one too many bowlers with seven. Bairstow for Tredwell would leave them deeper with teh bat and still with six front line-ish bowling options.
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I think Bairstow for briggs maybe, Tredwell bowled alright.
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Possibly true - I just would prefer them to go with the youngster rather than the grizzled old second rater...
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Couldn't believe the pitch good pace and bounce, so not like an Indian t20 pitch or just a pitch in general
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Get James Harris in for either Bresnan or Dernbach, Bresnan's not been the same after his shoulder op and Dernbach is village! Lumb could probably go as well... Hales Root Wright Morgan Bairstow Patel Buttler Tredwell Meaker Harris Bresnan/Dernbach?
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Lumb's played well in the champions league t20, should have been with england in the wc, but if you get out early then it makes you look like a mug.
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Its difficult because there are so many people missing. I think Bresnan should be rested as well as he really need to recouperate that elbow if he is ever going to be a force in international cricket again.
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http://www.espncricinfo.com/india-v-england-2012/content/current/story/597993.html
And MORE absentees!
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Its difficult because there are so many people missing. I think Bresnan should be rested as well as he really need to recouperate that elbow if he is ever going to be a force in international cricket again.
Bresnan should indeed be 'rested'
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I don't think he is ready for the scrap heap just yet mind!
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He'll do a job in county cricket, but he's finished for England unless something changes.
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Nah, he'll be back!
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He was living on his 'not lost a test match' reputation. Not quick enough for an international bowler.
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Seemed quick enough when he was giving the Aussie kittens down under!
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Seemed quick enough when he was giving the Aussie kittens down under!
And bouncing out the Indians in the summer. He'll be a handful in NZ
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I wouldn't take him personally - I think he needs a couple of months away from the game,preferably on a well structured fitness plan. NZ is a good place to find out what Onions and Meaker have to offer.
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Seemed quick enough when he was giving the Aussie kittens down under!
The media seem to reckon he has lost it after his elbow op, which iirc was after both the Ashes and the series at home to England.
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I d think he rushed back after said operation, hence my thoughts on his fitness regime. Point is, I don't think he can just be written off as you have tried to!
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I d think he rushed back after said operation, hence my thoughts on his fitness regime. Point is, I don't think he can just be written off as you have tried to!
I guess time will tell, but he's looked a long way off the pace for a long time now.
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Get James Harris in for either Bresnan or Dernbach, Bresnan's not been the same after his shoulder op and Dernbach is village! Lumb could probably go as well... Hales Root Wright Morgan Bairstow Patel Buttler Tredwell Meaker Harris Bresnan/Dernbach?
I don't see Root as a better t20 option than Lumb at the moment. Lumb has one of the best t20 cvs in world cricket. He might not come off every game but he isn't afraid to go from ball 1. Granted he looked rusty yesterday but I think Root should be given a run in the test side now to find his feet as I think this is his best chance of becoming a big success internationally. Leave the t20 to the specialists
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Lumb has to stay for me, i mean he's a world T20 winner, plus didn't he just win the Champions trophy with the Sydney Sixers and also win the Golden bat as well,
Seriously what is with people who say he should be dropped straight away just for having one off day.
If thats the case surely Ali Cook needs dropping for making only 14 runs in the last test match
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Root is not a T20 player - he just tries to reverse sweep everything.
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Like the look of Meaker. Has some serious pace but Saker needs to work with him a bit to get him ready for international cricket. Him and Finn could be a handful.
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I see kholi has some stickers on top of his stickers
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Some good bat chat now
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Did the programme say that the commentary team were at the ground?
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Worst thing India could have done, getting fat Samit out.
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How big
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Morgan muted the crowd SIX 8)
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great win. that will be fat samit's last game for England
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Leave samit alone he will be back
Good win what a finish by England B
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walked in the door from work to see Morgan smash the last ball for 6!
incredible stuff
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Leave samit alone he will be back
Good win what a finish by England B
I seriously don't think so Dave, he's Pony!
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Morgan muted the crowd SIX 8)
8) 8) 8)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/aaizoo/32308908_zpsfcd9ab22.jpg)
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I seriously don't think so Dave, he's Pony!
Surly it's got to be his last game. He's useless.
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Surly it's got to be his last game. He's useless.
Fat Sammy has naked pictures of at least one member of the England management, probably in a compromising position.....allegedly...
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So then do people still want Michael Lumb dropped then after that great innings and getting us off to a flyer.
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Never did, but he might be the man to lose out for KP...
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I like the underdog that's why I like samit.
I can recall a certain collingwood at a stage in his career people thought the same he came through it.
Samit has talent there no doubt about it few play for England without it but he has to show it at some stage but talent wise can not be called into question similar to Bopara but he must prove it and soon.
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Collingwood was one of the best fielders in the world though Dave. Samit does not have that to fall back on.
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True mate but I suspect he will get more chances
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I expect you are right Dave but I don't think he should. I can think of at least 10 players I would pick in front of him
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Yeah bopara is due a recall if his mate shaq has e turned is bat to him
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he wasn't one of them though Dave !! haha.
Trott, Bell, Cook, Prior, Pieterson, Bairstow, Keiswetter, Davis, Hilldreth, Shah, Hamilton Brown, Woakes, Taylor,
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And a few more to boot!
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Has to be KP in for Samit if Flower wants his full strength side out. Some top 6 England will have then! I am not a hater of Samit like some but he is simply not as good as the other guys there so gets the boot
The bowling is more of an issue, Dernbach needs to remember how to bowl his yorkers and I don't think Meaker specializes in t20 but good to see him get a run out. I would keep Tredwell and Bresnan in the side
Looking forward to the ODIs now and more runs for Cook
Please God, don't let Bopara anywhere near any England squad for a long time, there are plenty of other options with talent AND mental strength, Bairstow, Taylor, Root etc they must all get a game before RB
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Taylor's been a bit of the forgotten man recently, just seen that KP is to be rested for the NZ Odi/T20 tour so expect that tour to be the one to blood some young guns!
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England's strongest sides....hmmm...tough one that.
Tests, I'd go for: Cook, Root, Trott, Pietersen, Bell, Bairstow, Prior, AN Other, Swann, Finn, Anderson (AN Other because none of Broad, Bresnan and Onions have quite convinced me on this point)
ODIs: Cook, Bell, Pietersen, Morgan, Bairstow, Buttler, Wright (though I'd like to see Stokes tried), Bresnan, Broad, Swann, Finn
T20: Hales, Pietersen, Wright, Morgan, Buttler, AN Other, Bairstow, Bresnan, Broad, Swann, Finn - the AN Other should be someone who can share bowling duties with Wright...
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Stokes needs an injury free run and he'll be getting a look in surely. Eng need a bowling all rounder as Bopara/Patel/Bresnan haven't done it. Woakes or Stokes should get there chance again if injury free.
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Bresnan has looked fine at eight but is not, and will probably never become, a number seven in international cricket.
Woakes might, but I really don't see his bowling getting there....
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one thing is certain we won't be seeing any new faces in NZ next year...
Twenty20 squad: Stuart Broad (capt), Jonny Bairstow, Tim Bresnan, Danny Briggs, Jos Buttler, Jade Dernbach, Steven Finn, Alex Hales, Michael Lumb, Stuart Meaker, Eoin Morgan, Samit Patel, James Tredwell, Luke Wright.
ODI squad: Alastair Cook (capt), James Anderson, Jonny Bairstow, Ian Bell, Tim Bresnan, Stuart Broad, Jos Buttler, Steven Finn, Craig Kieswetter, Eoin Morgan, Samit Patel, Graeme Swann, James Tredwell, Jonathan Trott.
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Same old same old....
...anyone else notice that the Yarlies massacred the Kiwis with only three experienced internationals in their side?
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Same old same old....
...anyone else notice that the Yarlies massacred the Kiwis with only three experienced internationals in their side?
Every reason to rest Broad/Bresnan/Jimmy and have a look at some one else. Patel is a lucky man, as Root is captaining the Lions in Australia which for his development is probably more important.
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Every reason to rest Broad/Bresnan/Jimmy and have a look at some one else. Patel is a lucky man, as Root is captaining the Lions in Australia which for his development is probably more important.
Patel would still be a lucky man if Joe Root didn't exist!
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England's strongest sides....hmmm...tough one that.
Tests, I'd go for: Cook, Root, Trott, Pietersen, Bell, Bairstow, Prior, AN Other, Swann, Finn, Anderson (AN Other because none of Broad, Bresnan and Onions have quite convinced me on this point)
ODIs: Cook, Bell, Pietersen, Morgan, Bairstow, Buttler, Wright (though I'd like to see Stokes tried), Bresnan, Broad, Swann, Finn
T20: Hales, Pietersen, Wright, Morgan, Buttler, AN Other, Bairstow, Bresnan, Broad, Swann, Finn - the AN Other should be someone who can share bowling duties with Wright...
No place for Compton, think thats a tough call!
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No place for Compton, think thats a tough call!
I assume you mean in Tests.
If so....it is, but there are six candidates for seven batting places and on balance, he is the one that deserves to miss out. Obviously Cook, Trott and Pietersen are nailed on certainties, and Bell (for all that I could make an argument that he has been rubbish this last year) saved his spot with that ton in the Fourth Test, and is safe in the knowledge that he has 18 months of relentless Aussie bashing ahead of him.
That leaves two spots between Compton, Root and Bairstow. Root is obviously the first choice for one of them, so well did he bat on debut - not to mention his fielding and useful off spin. From there - Bairstow was unlucky not to be a starter in India, so well did he handle the mighty Yarpies last Summer, and whilst not technically the incumbent, I think that he showed more in that game that Compton did in his three Tests in India, where he looked willing to graft but short of the necessary class to score runs at the highest level.
I also took into account the balance of the side - if Compton opens and Root bats six, then you have three plodders at the top of the order together with Bell, and a young man making his way at six - there is the potential for that order to get bogged down and go nowhere if KP fails. With Root opening, Bairstow adds impetus and class at six.
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Cook doesn't really strike me as a plodder anymore, he seems to have gone along at decent strike rates recently, maybe not as fast as KP but fast enough for test cricket.
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You would still, surely, feel that an order featuring him, Compton, Trott, Bell and Root was somewhat one paced, surely?
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Maybe 1/2 years ago but cook and bell open in ODIs so they can go pretty fast if needs be and Root has the ability to pick the speed up if required as well. Could quite interesting to see how it goes but I think that they could do pretty well.
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Would love to see Bairstow in though as he looks like a great player.
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I think thats the key point - Compton looks functional enough, but not a great player, nor even one who might potentially be great. Bairstow seems to me a class apart.
That said, Compton can fight for the batting reserve spot with Taylor et al...
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By the time of the Ashes next year Id love to see Root opening with Bairstow at six, but for the New Zealand tour Id like to see Compton opening with Root in the middle order to let him get more used to test cricket.
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But that deprives Bairstow, who we all agree is the long term option, of the same chance to get used to Test cricket. I also think that the likelihood of cheap runs in that series (assuming that the Kiwis don't get their acts in gear quick sharpish) might cloud the issue.
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But that deprives Bairstow, who we all agree is the long term option, of the same chance to get used to Test cricket. I also think that the likelihood of cheap runs in that series (assuming that the Kiwis don't get their acts in gear quick sharpish) might cloud the issue.
Bairstow will be Prior's replacement (not for a long time yet mind) so if he can forge a good test career as just a batsman for the time being, he will be a huge asset for England in the future.
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I don't think Bairstow will ever be Prior's replacement. He is (a) too good of a front line batsman and (b) not a strong enough wicketkeeper. I suspect that he may play the odd test there, as AB De Villiers has done, but that the intention would be to bring through one of a number of other specialist keepers in addition.
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I think people are making massive assumptions about players they have not realy seen enough off.
Name a specialist keeper in England right now to keep wicket it just not the way modern cricket is going.
Look around one the world it took arguably the best keeper in the world till Sangga gave up the gloves to prolong his career to et a game.
There not one specialist keeper in England good enought with the bat to do that I see either Buttler or Bairstow to do it.
We all have our pre conceived favourites and look at crickinfo at stats but some must be talented to be selected for sure.
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I think Prior has improved massively over the last 3 years and who could've thought that he would be by far the best w/k batsmen in test cricket as a complete package. No one would've said that when he started. Buttler doesn't look as good enough and won't be playing test matches and no one else in county cricket is scoring the weight of runs that Bairstow has the last two years. Nearly 4k runs @ 46 in FC matches is miles ahead of most young batsmen let alone keeper batsmen. He'll have the ECB's investment for the next 3/4 years for sure
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I think Bairstow is good enough to both be a front line batsman and a keeper, his keeping is not bad and he's showing signs of being a very good batsman under pressure as well.
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I think I've seen a fair amount of Bairstow's cricket and I am confident that he will never become a regular test keeper - his levels are so low and the potential returns of his batting so graet that it would be a decidedly odd decision on the past of the management to go down that route (aside from which, he is tall for a keeper which may well lead to injury issues). In any event, he would need to improve massively, and the chances of him doing any keeping at all in the next 3-5 years are kippered by Prior being there...
Of current keepers who are under 27 and not muppets with the bat, I suspect that Davies and Kieswetter are better bets for the gloves, whilst Buttler is more likely to have the time invested in him because he is unlikely to make the pure batting level. There are other youngsters who would also be in contention...
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Fair shout Manormanic, does any one know the reasons for Bairstow's return home? Family reasons was stated. With his sad past hopefully it's nothing too serious.
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OUCH!! Minced twice in the warmup games, using 4 x seamers banging it in half way down the track, and only one specialist spinner.
Jo Root our best bowler!
Gonna be a long ODI series out there I fear!
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So we learned very little from the test matches then....
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Amazing to see really that Delhi could topple a pretty close to full strength England side. Just shows the quality of young players in India being wasted. Also nice to see Bell hitting some form, he's caught some flak in recent times.
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It looked a very flat track from what I saw on the news but still fair play to the obviously talented young Indians, makes lazy players like Viru, Yuvi and Gambhir look like spoilt brats, How is Gambhir still in the India team?
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Amazing to see really that Delhi could topple a pretty close to full strength England side. Just shows the quality of young players in India being wasted. Also nice to see Bell hitting some form, he's caught some flak in recent times.
Oh yes! India tops the list in wasting talented players not just in cricket but all other sports. Too much favoritism and nepotism coupled with corrupt bureaucracy and red-tapeism
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and poor selection from Englands part - I mean only one spinner? they should be playing two seamers and three spinners. Briggs, Treadwell and Panasar. They are obsessed with the two bouncer and two new ball rules and haven't picked a team to play in India where the balls go soft very fast and the pitches are horrifically slow.
This always happens - brainless. We had it in the test matches, we have had it is multiple one day series in the sub continent. it is miopic.
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I know what you mean Buzz but it seems that with this unusually cold weather across India right now it could be that pace is the way to go. In the series just gone against Pakistan it was all about the pace bowlers troubling the batsmen with swing and bounce.
This could be a very interesting series.
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So England go with three seamer and a full time spinner along allrounder (Samit Patel), not too sure if Patel could be relied for full quota of 10 overs.
Batsman off good start, Bell looks in good nick.
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Looks like a 300+ wicket for sure
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So kieswetter stayed blank with his m&h gloves
Got to get 300+ but pressure on now
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well root will be full of confidence now after being pushed down the order.
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Fat Sam has played a blinder 44 from 20, could be an interesting run chase for India!
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Game changing innings! Brilliant from Patel!
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Game changing innings! Brilliant from Patel!
I reckon he's modelled his game on Fattus!
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what bat do you reckon kieswetter is using. Spine runs to the toe, big edges and looks fairly concaved. Looks very asian and not M&H?
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Yes, taught him all I know (particularly about samosas)
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I reckon he's modelled his game on Fattus!
Think hes modelled a lot of his personal life that way as well!
If he was in shape he would be even better (Both Patel and Fattus)
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I don't particularly like Samit 'Chunky' Patel, but after that innings England must be favourites to win now. A loss would surely be a big disappointment?? Even in India...
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Well done sammy lad
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Dernbach has been very dissapointing for me
When he came on the seen, with all his variations and this backed up by being able to bowl at 90mph I thought he was going to be a world beater in the shorter formats of the game but has really let himself down
I might be wrong but it just all seems to have gone to his head, all the razmataz of short form, tatoos, his desire to look good and the rest of it seem to have taken more of a front row seat than his amazing god given talent
With his talent out of the back of the hand and 90mph deliveries and bouncers he should be challenging Malinga not getting smashed out of the park
Seems like another amazing talent that just can't quite make the grade anymore
I hope i'm proven wrong!
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Dernbach has been very dissapointing for me
When he came on the seen, with all his variations and this backed up by being able to bowl at 90mph I thought he was going to be a world beater in the shorter formats of the game but has really let himself down
I might be wrong but it just all seems to have gone to his head, all the razmataz of short form, tatoos, his desire to look good and the rest of it seem to have taken more of a front row seat than his amazing god given talent
With his talent out of the back of the hand and 90mph deliveries and bouncers he should be challenging Malinga not getting smashed out of the park
Seems like another amazing talent that just can't quite make the grade anymore
I hope i'm proven wrong!
the big problem is he can't bowl a line and length, rarely gets anybody out first up and creates no pressure early on. Great having slower balls but they can be picked. He has a good yorker but doesn't use it enough. By the time he bowls them the oppo are 280-2 and he's bowled 0-60 in 8 :(
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This bunch of seamers is going to get smashed on these Indian ODI decks - we might as well play 2 seamers, 2 frontline spinners and Root and Samit to bowl as well.
I think our seamers will cost us games out there, you can't go 30 overs for 180 runs and win regularly.
They're good lads and willing, but they lack experience and nous in these conditions.
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gggrrrrrrrr biased third umpire.
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Absolutely appalling decision. No doubt about it at all. Probably another umpire desperate for some IPL money...
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Clearly his fingers were under the ball but IPL wins the race :D
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Absolutely appalling decision. No doubt about it at all. Probably another umpire desperate for some IPL money...
Absolutely shocking, if you have neutral umpires in the middle so should the third umpire be neutral!
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The BCCI's influence stretches far and wide... ;)
The worst bit about it is that it suggests that Bresnan is a cheat....he is many things but a cheat he isn't!
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I think the issue was after he got his fingers under the ball he then turned his wrist and grounded the ball which negates the catch and is therefore is not out
Would have been uproar the other way round i bet
I think it was actually the right decision (which is very rare!)
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Although I do not think Bresnan is a cheat!
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Big wicket!
Our local boy Root wasn't dropping that!
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Here's a plan. don't bowl Dernbach until the 37th over - as he's fodder up front!
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Yet again, the English spinners outshine their Indian counter part, both in bowling and batting . Brilliant innings by Patel.
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:( how much worse could it get and would it get!!!
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:( how much worse could it get and would it get!!!
Until the BCCI realise there are other formats of the game other than 20/20, and stop playing their players into the ground a lot worse!
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loving cricinfo, Indian Fanboys are going mad. Losing to England in ODI's, as well as tests/t20 is pushing them to the brink lol
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Until the BCCI realise there are other formats of the game other than 20/20, and stop playing their players into the ground a lot worse!
But we are not that good in 20/20 either... :( be it ICC tournaments or champions league...
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loving cricinfo, Indian Fanboys are going mad. Losing to England in ODI's, as well as tests/t20 is pushing them to the brink lol
Worst thing about today was that that attitude seemed to have spread to their umpires - how else can you explain the disgraceful cheat afforded to Raina when Bressie caught him?
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Did anyone notice Raina's bat? I looked like a Newbery Tour.
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Worst thing about today was that that attitude seemed to have spread to their umpires - how else can you explain the disgraceful cheat afforded to Raina when Bressie caught him?
Especially when you look at what happened in the Aus SL game when Hughes could have had his decision reviewed, but walked instead.
But we are not that good in 20/20 either... :( be it ICC tournaments or champions league...
True, half your players need a break, which they're not going to get with the IPL just around the corner!
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Sick of being an Indian fan when the BCCI is ruining the team :/ We need to get some ex players in there to manage it; Gavaskar, Ganguly, Dravid etc. I'm sure they could do a much better job because they actually know how the game works and how it is as a player.
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22 overs of spin for 96 runs... and 28 overs of pace for 184.
Makes you think why Root only bowled 2 overs. Which went for 5.
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How does Dernbach keep getting into the team? Way too expensive on a constant basis
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Moreover how does that umpire keep being allowed to stand. Dhoni nicks one behind...and nothing happens! Same guy responsible for Raina's cheat on Friday!
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Dernbach needs to get back to county cricket and learn how to bowl normally rather than all these tricks. very few of them actually fool a batsman on a regular basis and they just get pumped to the boundary too often. anything over 6 an over in one dayers (with the exception of huge totals) is unacceptable.
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The spinners were bowling the middle overs which is a tad easier but still Dernbach was far too expensive late on. The Yorker wasn't used enough far too many length balls!!
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money on KP being highest scorer. come on lad!!
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Dernbach needs to get back to county cricket and learn how to bowl normally rather than all these tricks. very few of them actually fool a batsman on a regular basis and they just get pumped to the boundary too often. anything over 6 an over in one dayers (with the exception of huge totals) is unacceptable.
He bowls one to many in an over hence the element of surprise is gone. His career average is over 6 an over. May be Andy Flower sees something in him that we don't.
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Useless umpiring again haha
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Useless umpiring again haha
Or is it just cheating? ;)
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Cook has just got an absolute terrible decision!!
Unbelievable!! Shocking call!
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how many reverse sweeps from root are we gonna see when jadeja/yuvi is on?
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Cook has just got an absolute terrible decision!!
Unbelievable!! Shocking call!
This particular Indian umpire seems to be making a habit of them - all in favour of, erm, India...
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This particular Indian umpire seems to be making a habit of them - all in favour of, erm, India...
They need all the help they can get tbh
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I think that is poor umpiring, knowing that Kumar is bowling from wide of the crease so it'll need to be very full or in swinging a mile to not pitch outside leg. reminds me of those shockers hussain used to get
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I think that is poor umpiring, knowing that Kumar is bowling from wide of the crease so it'll need to be very full or in swinging a mile to not pitch outside leg. reminds me of those shockers hussain used to get
Hmmmm, would agree with you were it not for his inability to hear Dhoni's nick that everyone else heard three continents away, or to press the "out" button when Bresnan took the most obviously clean catch in the previous game...
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Hmmmm, would agree with you were it not for his inability to hear Dhoni's nick that everyone else heard three continents away, or to press the "out" button when Bresnan took the most obviously clean catch in the previous game...
True that was a shocking decision
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True that was a shocking decision
can you imagine the fanboy uprorar if the boot were on the other foot?
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can you imagine the fanboy uprorar if the boot were on the other foot?
Funny how theres no mention of the obvious attempt to cheat by the fielder 5 minutes ago, kicking the rope while holding the ball and saying he doesnt know if he touched it!
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can you imagine the fanboy uprorar if the boot were on the other foot?
We mustn't criticise the Indians too much or we could see a repeat of this debacle, jealous of the IPL ha.
http://youtu.be/A2LAl9rHNnA (http://youtu.be/A2LAl9rHNnA)
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KP Gone, Will need Morgan, Root to have a decent partnership to win this game now.
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Morgan gone, oh dear!
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As i typed that Morgan is gone..........
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We mustn't criticise the Indians too much or we could see a repeat of this debacle, jealous of the IPL ha.
[url]http://youtu.be/A2LAl9rHNnA[/url] ([url]http://youtu.be/A2LAl9rHNnA[/url])
Ravi Shastri is an absolute bell end. :D
I'd actually cross the street to throw hands.....I would....!
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nightmare over.
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Ravi Shastri is an absolute bell end. :D
I'd actually cross the street to throw hands.....I would....!
Hahaha
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Bet he looks foolish now
Jealous of where India are in world cricket??
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This MS Dhoni fellow is a little bit decent at ODI cricket.
If you where gonna pick a world ODI XI then Alma, Dhoni and de Villers would be the first three picks.
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embarrassing loss for England. Oh dear.
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embarrassing loss for England. Oh dear.
Outplayed on a turning track in India, no disgrace. Be a different story when the games are in northern India and its not turning and 5 degrees!!
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On aside note is it me or is Ajinkya Rahane the most overrated player in world cricket?
I don't see what all the hype surrounding him is.
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The umpring has been poor in the 2 games from both umpires. However, to call them a cheat or incapable of doing their job is a bit harsh. There are several factors the lead to poor decisions:
Experience (especially the Indian umpire)
Environment - noise, pressure to give right decisions
Yuvi's LBW decision was as bad as Cooks, but that does not neutralise the mistake.
What's happening with the DRS between BCCI and ICC is anyone's guess as there is nothing in then public domain which clearly explains either sides views and agrees of disagreement. We know what te press releases say, not what happens behind closed doors.
From my point of view, third umpire should only be used for runouts and stumpings. Rest all decisions, on-field umpires should have the final all (whether given correctly or wrongly). DRS has made umpires overly cautious and hence fail to make calls in tight situations.
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On aside note is it me or is Ajinkya Rahane the most overrated player in world cricket?
I don't see what all the hype surrounding him is.
If he has made it into the international playing XI, then he obviously has more talent than most of us questioning his ability and talent.
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This MS Dhoni fellow is a little bit decent at ODI cricket.
If you where gonna pick a world ODI XI then Alma, Dhoni and de Villers would be the first three picks.
Thanks. At least you would put Dhoni in World XI.
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If he has made it into the international playing XI, then he obviously has more talent than most of us questioning his ability and talent.
There's no need to get up tight fella.
There's the boy Pujara coming off a 200 and 350 yet is carrying the water.
Rahane has played 15-16 ODIs and averages 25-26. Hardly making a case for himself.
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I think Rahane can live off his FC stats for a while, nearly 6k @ 62 in 59 games is better than most in the Indian team. Which makes it all the more puzzling why he didn't play in the test series.
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I think Rahane can live off his FC stats for a while, nearly 6k @ 62 in 59 games is better than most in the Indian team. Which makes it all the more puzzling why he didn't play in the test series.
For me his footwork is suspect. Reminds me of Wasim Jaffer
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Thanks. At least you would put Dhoni in World XI.
Well it's a no brainer
Averages 52 after 200+ games. The man's a freak!
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You can't compare Rahane with Pujara. Just as you can't compare Viru with Dravid.
Pujara is a excellent test no.3.
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Well it's a no brainer
Averages 52 after 200+ games. The man's a freak!
I would put him the World XI more because is is possibly one of the best finishers in world cricket.
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For me his footwork is suspect. Reminds me of Wasim Jaffer
Yeah, maybe it shows the gulf in class from FC in India to International cricket more than anything. No idea why Rohit Sharma can't get a gig.
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You can't compare Rahane with Pujara. Just as you can't compare Viru with Dravid.
Pujara is a excellent test no.3.
As far as I'm aware, Rahane bats at 3 or 4 for Bombay. So he's not an opener.
Pick openers to open.
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I would put him the World XI more because is is possibly one of the best finishers in world cricket.
Yeah I'd say he's up there with Michael Bevan as the best finisher of all time.
Mind you ABDV is catching MSD!
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Yeah, maybe it shows the gulf in class from FC in India to International cricket more than anything. No idea why Rohit Sharma can't get a gig.
I can't believe Rohit still hadn't played a Test match. Looks to real deal.
I don't think he's suited to ODIs. His record isn't very good.
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Rohit Sharma has fitness issues. But I agree he is more talented than a couple in the squad and should be given a real run-in with the team.
He bats too low in the order, but then with Kohli, Yuvi, Raina and MS where do you slot him.
On Rahane, he is a very attacking bats man and possibly the future with Virus's age catching-up and lack of form.
Any good number 3 should also be a good opening bat as he might find himself in the middle within the first over
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AB is a tremendous player. Tactically I would rate MS ahead of him.
Just amazes me how cool MS remains even when the team is being thrashed repeatedly. And the Indian media and billion voices don't help either. Perfect recipe for a mental meltdown.
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Just amazes me how cool MS remains even when the team is being thrashed repeatedly. And the Indian media and billion voices don't help either. Perfect recipe for a mental meltdown.
It really is unbelievable how he composes himself. His captaincy is sometimes questionable but the amount of scrutiny and criticism he comes under is greater than any player ever in the history of the game I'm sure.
Also people complaining earlier about this being a turning pitch, there was a lot in the pitch for the bowlers all through the game. England's 3 best batsmen (arguably) Cook, Pietersen and Morgan were dismissed by a young swing bowler so I think that excuse is getting a bit tiresome now.
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The poring has been poor in the 2 games from both umpires. However, to call them a cheat or incapable of doing their job is a bit harsh. There are several factors the lead to poor decisions:
Experience (especially the Indian umpire)
Environment - noise, pressure to give right decisions
I agree that it is wrong to be too hard on umpires but there are certain basic standards and the Indian chap has falled wofeully short of them - even if we give him the Cook LBW and the Dhoni catch (though both were absolute stinkers) there was no excuse for reprieving Raina the other day - that was just a case of seeing what he wanted to see and bore no relation shatsoever to the laws of the game.
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Another abysmal shot from Morgan. Time for a rest maybe!
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Another abysmal shot from Morgan. Time for a rest maybe!
He has a heap of talent and potential, but never seems to string it together for a substantial amount of time.
Also, England are really struggling, not looking good right now. Still better than the Aussies effort the other day though!
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Oh dear, I hate knee jerk reactions, but I wonder if there are a few players who need to gently walk away from the ODI scene, as they are just not good or consistant enough.
Patel
Kiewsetter
Morgan (and I'm a fan!)
Dernbach
Bresnan (I appreciate his rearguard today)
We must have options in these departments - (I appreciate Trott, Anderson and Swann are to come back) however, it would be lovely in NZ to see the following given a bot of a run out -
Bairstow (I know he's got somethng funky going on ATM)
Buttler
Taylor
Bopara (if he's normal again?)
Hales
Stokes
Coles
Borthwick
Harris
woakes given a run in the Bresnan role?
This is not picking names out of a hat, these are guys involved in the Lions set up and who may need to take a step up.
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I wouldnt mind seeing a few of the young kids get a game. Especially Buttler and Bairstow. Id also like to see Root open with Cook, see how he does in his natural position.
Having said that Ive given up watching Englanf and switched over to the Big Bash final
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When are the Indian selectors going to admit they made a mistake with the Rahane selection?
His first class record is good, but he's been exposed as lacking the footwork for international cricket.
Replacing Sehwag with Rahane has hardly been successful. Although Sehwag's career is drawing to a close, he's still more feared and capable of winning a match of his own bat then Rahane.
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Deeraj jadhav should have been the man but his time has past
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feel embarrassd by our last 2 performances
also feel some sympathy for the team, I bet they just want to come home, looking forward to a series in NZ
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I think I'd get banned for putting what I thought about that performance on here
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feel embarrassd by our last 2 performances
also feel some sympathy for the team, I bet they just want to come home, looking forward to a series in NZ
I've not watched the game yet (still watching the third Aus vs SL ODI on record) BUT I feel that the current tours are just too long. I know myself that you just lose focus, lose that extra spark etc. I know they are pro's and I am the first one to usually say 'They are pro's so they should do their job' BUT I appreciate that it must just become mundane and boring when you are away for so long.
I'd like to see the likes of Kieswetter, Bresnan, Dernbach, Bopara just told 'thank you but good bye' and give the new generation the chance to play a few games and improve. Bringing some energy and that spark back to ODI's etc. I know Indian fans love ODI and T20's over Tests so they put more store by these games but I can't help but think that the English just look like a team that are thinking 'I really really don't want to be here'.
Sack off most of the ODI's and T20's in tours and focus on the real cricket, Test cricket!
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When are the Indian selectors going to admit they made a mistake with the Rahane selection?
His first class record is good, but he's been exposed as lacking the footwork for international cricket.
Replacing Sehwag with Rahane has hardly been successful. Although Sehwag's career is drawing to a close, he's still more feared and capable of winning a match of his own bat then Rahane.
Give the lad a chance, its not easy to get into Sehwag's shoes. If Rohit has got so many chances to prove himself (failing to do so on most of the occasion) I feel youngsters like Rahane should be given atleast a series or two to settle in.
As for foot work Sehwag didn't have one either ! (Not that I am comapring Shewag to Rahane)
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Sack off most of the ODI's and T20's in tours and focus on the real cricket, Test cricket!
What a stupid comment.
Go ask IVA Richards or Ricky Ponting if limited overs cricket isn't real cricket.
There's no world cups won playing Test cricket.
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Give the lad a chance, its not easy to get into Sehwag's shoes. If Rohit has got so many chances to prove himself (failing to do so on most of the occasion) I feel youngsters like Rahane should be given atleast a series or two to settle in.
As for foot work Sehwag didn't have one either ! (Not that I am comapring Shewag to Rahane)
I'm all for giving players chances(I waited years for Robin Peterson to get recalled by the Proteas!)
But if Rahane's footwork can't get the job done in home conditions, how will be survive on bowling pitches around the world?
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Meanwhile Virat Kohli coming back into some form...some breathtaking shots from him today.
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What a stupid comment.
Go ask IVA Richards or Ricky Ponting if limited overs cricket isn't real cricket.
There's no world cups won playing Test cricket.
Stupid to people who like ODI's/T20's more than Test's. How many players are there around that when put into test matches are just rubbish.. Reina for the indians is one (can't be bothered to list any more but there are loads). yes limited over cricket is big now due mainly to the money men wanting to cash in, more than the players actually wanting to play the game.
ODI's are still pretty good and I'd not like to see that go away but with T20's and tests there are just too many ODI's so they become stale.
If you put the focus on Test cricket, that being the real top level, big money earning areana and then just played a bolt on 3 ODI max series or something then that would be better.. when teams play 5/7 odi's it's just zzzzzzzzzzzz. I'd like to see England just rest our top players for tests and almost have a completely different ODI team. Really show that Test cricket is the top format and let teh likes of India love their ODI's/T20's but suck at Test cricket.
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Its about time ODIs were taken out completely.
5 match test series
10 match 20/20 series with 2 matches played on the same day.
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Like the idea. Id go with a 5test series with a 5t20 series played two days after each test at the same venue with a completely different squad.
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Not sure about shed loads of T20 but defo like the idea of different squads. Make the test players highly paid and the top of the tree.
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Like the ideas
Just thought with 2 t20s on same day and 10 matches total it gives you both t20 matches which are more exciting but still gives you the day of cricket out or on tv like from and ODI. Means you can play your whole 15 kam squad on same day as well.
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I'd like to see the odi format change - maybe to a 2 innings a side of 25 overs each and then the highest overall total wins.
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I'd like to see the odi format change - maybe to a 2 innings a side of 25 overs each and then the highest overall total wins.
So basically two T20's then.. just added together..
Nah, the ODI can be kept but just use a totally different squad. So you don't have players being used in all formats etc.. Keep it separate and pay them differently to keep Test cricket as the best form.
ODI's either need to go to the same as Pro40 OR Pro40 needs doing away with and copy international ODI rules.. Seems stupid that the county sides play a totally different sytle of one day cricket. it's only 10 overs BUT it makes a difference
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Problem with using a totally different sqaud is you might as well just go and watch county cricket as thats all it will be and the standard will drop
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Problem with using a totally different sqaud is you might as well just go and watch county cricket as thats all it will be and the standard will drop
more people watching CC isn't a bad thing. Would it really lower the quality that much though?? Look at the current ODI squad, barring one or two everyone else is replaceable if people are being honest.
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Kieswetter can't have long left surely - he's always been a block or smash it merchant, except now he can't seem to do either. Buttler needs to take the gauntlets, if Prior is definitely not in the one-day picture.
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Is there a bit if chicken and egg here? Should Buttler be picked ahead of Kieswetter for England when Kieswetter is picked ahead of Buttler for Somerset? Maybe if Somerset promote Buttler first, then England might follow suit
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Also, the commentators were saying Buttler can't keep for 50 overs.
They seemed to agree (without coming out and sayin it) that as soon as Bairstow sorts himself out, the job would be his.
New Zealand ODi side could line up like this -
Cook
Bell
Trott
KP
Root
Bairstow
Woakes / Stokes
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Finn
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Is there a bit if chicken and egg here? Should Buttler be picked ahead of Kieswetter for England when Kieswetter is picked ahead of Buttler for Somerset? Maybe if Somerset promote Buttler first, then England might follow suit
After watching somerset quite a fair bit, i'd have to say that Kieswetter is more consistent domestically (something he certainly isn't for England) but I don't think he has the game for international ODI's, he's very strong on the off side but international players work you out very quickly, and now they simply bowl straight to him. He must be low on confidence as he seems to be a little bit rabbit in the headlights at the moment.
I also like the fact that Buttler is actually English ;)
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Cook just got a shocker from, yep a local umpire! Sorry but if you want local umpire in an international you have DRS, because that dismissal looks pretty much like bias to me.
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they should never have a home umpire for internationals of whatever form. I don't understand how it can be that way.
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why cant buttler keep for 50 overs? Hes a keeper who keeps all day in the CC when Kieswetter is away on england duty. Buttler is a lot better keeper than bairstow IMO and should be kept in the role. i hope he had a stormer of a game!
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Grrrrrrr! why are we persisting with Dernbach and samit?????
1 run of 10 balls for one and the other ones got the worst RPO in ODI cricket - I see he's going for a few again!
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I agree up to a point Brucie boy but I can't help but think that we haven't seen the best of Dernbach yet. He's got everything, pace, variations, swing etc but he's just not producing it regularly at the moment. Give him a bit of time and I think he'll become one of our very best bowlers in this format. Got to stick with him I think.
As for Samit I get the impression we're picking him for his batting! Fair enough really when you look at how he's done. Shame his bowling is a bit pony!
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why cant buttler keep for 50 overs? Hes a keeper who keeps all day in the CC when Kieswetter is away on england duty. Buttler is a lot better keeper than bairstow IMO and should be kept in the role. i hope he had a stormer of a game!
Buttler and Bairstow are much of a muchness with the gloves - which is to say that neither is a whole lot of cop at the moment. The wicketkeeping slot is a tricky one - either could be given a run in the side in the hope that they will improve on the job - because there are not a lot of other good options. Prior is probably best left to Tests (though the additional fielder in the circle might well suit his game) and Bedwetter is just not making the grade Of the remaining county keepers, Davies, Foster, Read and Mustard have been tried and passed over (though Davies seemed a bit hard done by in that decision) and the rest, well, don't inspire confidence.
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I agree up to a point Brucie boy but I can't help but think that we haven't seen the best of Dernbach yet. He's got everything, pace, variations, swing etc but he's just not producing it regularly at the moment. Give him a bit of time and I think he'll become one of our very best bowlers in this format. Got to stick with him I think.
As for Samit I get the impression we're picking him for his batting! Fair enough really when you look at how he's done. Shame his bowling is a bit pony!
Giles has a thing for fat bloke with tattoos...put them together and he's in heaven!
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Buttler and Bairstow are much of a muchness with the gloves - which is to say that neither is a whole lot of cop at the moment. The wicketkeeping slot is a tricky one - either could be given a run in the side in the hope that they will improve on the job - because there are not a lot of other good options. Prior is probably best left to Tests (though the additional fielder in the circle might well suit his game) and Bedwetter is just not making the grade Of the remaining county keepers, Davies, Foster, Read and Mustard have been tried and passed over (though Davies seemed a bit hard done by in that decision) and the rest, well, don't inspire confidence.
All fair points but I would say that Kieswetter's problems are with the bat not the gloves.....! always rated Davies....not sure what he's done wrong ????
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I'd give Davies a go, the lad has never really had a proper chance. If you are going for pure keeping ability then Foster. If you are going for the 'safe' bet then Prior should be recalled and bat at 6/7 or something.
Bell has a lot to prove for me still tbh, as does jade, bresnan, samit, broad.. I like the look of Root, Butler and Bairstow and think they could be the future 4/5/6 so why not let them do it now and give them experience. Still need an opener with Cookie though... huummmm...
Bowling wise, you have swann and tredwell for your 'two' spinners.. with seamers anderson, finn, onions, meaker and Tremlett.
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Davies was struggling to get a game for surrey this year and when he didnt it wasnt much of a game.
buttler and bairstow are both good keepers and good with the bat. dont forget they are still pretty young and do need time to develop. i dont see the point in going back to the likes of foster, read, davies etc. look forward.
derbach needs to go. get some decent overs under his belt bowling in the cc and one day stuff. hes too predictable and just isnt cutting it at the moment. we also need to remember that the make up of the side would look a little different if enforced resting of players wasnt happening atm. Anderson, trott and swann all back in. probably no fat sam, tred or bres/dernbach.
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seems to me that Davies hasnt been mentioned in or around the squad since he came out Gay.
controversial
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seems to me that Davies hasnt been mentioned in or around the squad since he came out Gay.
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That's a huge statement mate, I very much doubt it has anything to do with that. He's a solid county keeper, but not good enough for international. Bit like Bairstow, Buttler and CK. Batting yeah, but I am astounded as to why Prior is STILL being left out. Boderline insulting if you ask me
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not insinuating that the ECB re homophobic, merely a coincidence
all these argument about keepers would be over if they just picked Prior, hes our best keeper (apart from maybe Foster) and one of the countries finest batsmen
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Foster is a better keeper, always has been. But as you say, Prior is the best 7 in the world as an all round choice, plus he brings his personality and authority with that, which is a huge plus.
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I can only guess they want to keep prior's workload to a complete minimum and prioritise having a world class keeper for test's and jiggle around the bit part keepers for the one day stuff. Looks silly when he travels the world playing t20 competitions worldwide when England have an odi series tho.
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Much better game today.
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Much better game today.
Nah, ruined by poor umpiring that totally changed the game.
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I think poor bowling from you know who let it down.
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I think you could say that Dernbach, samit, Keiswetter and possibly Morgan & Bresnan have all been given a fair crack of the whip now and are not performing consistantly. You can drop back in Trott, Bairstow, Broad, Anderson and Swann and things would look a little rosier - however you have to manage these guys workloads, therefor they each need ODi deputies - I'd still like to see more of Woakes, Borthwick, Stockes, Taylor et al to see what they can do.
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I think you could say that Dernbach, samit, Keiswetter and possibly Morgan & Bresnan have all been given a fair crack of the whip now and are not performing consistantly. You can drop back in Trott, Bairstow, Broad, Anderson and Swann and things would look a little rosier - however you have to manage these guys workloads, therefor they each need ODi deputies - I'd still like to see more of Woakes, Borthwick, Stockes, Taylor et al to see what they can do.
Completely agree. But we shouldn't be resting them all at once. Alex Hales should be in there opening the batting. Bell at 4/5
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Completely agree. But we shouldn't be resting them all at once. Alex Hales should be in there opening the batting. Bell at 4/5
Yup, Hales and Woakes look to be two who could come in and possibly stay in. Never liked Bell, still don't, I would call him a flat track bully but it seems he can't even manage that anymore! :D
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We should defo look to manage the work loads of our best players and keep them fit for Test cricket. No 'resting' from Tests.. best 11 all the time for them.
ODI's/T20's I'd like to see Hales, Taylor, Meaker, Butler, Bairstow,Briggs (if he's the best youngster) given a long stint of regular starts etc. Give them a go, might as well lose or play badly doing that than persist with some of the current crop.
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Nah, ruined by poor umpiring that totally changed the game.
Again. What was it this time?
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Again. What was it this time?
Cook and Sharma both got sawn-off by terrible LBW decisions when they were well set.
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Cook and Sharma both god sawn off by terrible LBW decisions where they were well set.
Yep this.. Game changing decisions.
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One thing that has annoyed me is the continual comparison between Jadeja and Samit Patel's bowling.
The Sky Sports panel keep saying both are similar bowlers, but I can't see where they are getting this answer from.
Patel is a batsman who can bowl at little. He has little variation. Just left arm darts really.
Jadeja at FC and List A level seems to be a good bowler. Watching him bowl during the ODI series, he's shown he has an excellent arm ball. He spins his stock ball when the conditions suit him as well. Obviously he can also bat.
Right to the point now, is Jadeja being discredited from having better skills with the ball. Or Patel being overrated with the ball?
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One thing that has annoyed me is the continual comparison between Jadeja and Samit Patel's bowling.
The Sky Sports panel keep saying both are similar bowlers, but I can't see where they are getting this answer from.
Patel is a batsman who can bowl at little. He has little variation. Just left arm darts really.
Jadeja at FC and List A level seems to be a good bowler. Watching him bowl during the ODI series, he's shown he has an excellent arm ball. He spins his stock ball when the conditions suit him as well. Obviously he can also bat.
Right to the point now, is Jadeja being discredited from having better skills with the ball. Or Patel being overrated with the ball?
Jadeja is in a different league to Samit IMO, don't think I'd be impressed if I was Jadeja
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Jadeja is in a different league to Samit IMO, don't think I'd be impressed if I was Jadeja
I think Patel's a good batsman. But his fitness doesn't look great.
Jadeja looks an excellent prospect. Could finally end India's search for an all rounder.
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When Jadeja first popped up he was terrible, a huge ego and didn't bat or bowl well.
However he seems to have worked hard at First Class level and come back a different player, definitely much better than Samit Patel don't know how you can compare the two.
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Has Ian Bell scored runs when it doesn't matter again?
I'm sure there is a pattern forming here.
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He always seems to me to be one more bad score off being dropped and he produces the goods! Although, he hasnt had a horrible tour.
Nice little confidence boost for Morgan there, good knock from him, he's so effortless at times. Just wish he would kick on and break back into the test side!
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When Jadeja first popped up he was terrible, a huge ego and didn't bat or bowl well.
However he seems to have worked hard at First Class level and come back a different player, definitely much better than Samit Patel don't know how you can compare the two.
Getting dropped forced him to fight his way back into the team, he came back much stronger!
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I think Bell is the modern day Hick. 'Should' be a class act as he has the goods to deliver but just doesn't consistently which is required. I personally feel it's time to look elsewhere. As for Patel or Jadeja arguement.. I think currently I'd take Jadeja as he's a better all rounder than Patel. Patel can bat, of that I have no doubt but his bowling isn't as 'good' as Jadeja, even though Jadeja isn't that good either at bowling really (arm ball seems to be something the English are pretty bad at for some reason).
Only players from India I'd take is Dhoni and probably Kohli.. Even though he's a walking Ego and although super talented just sums up what I think is wrong with Indian Cricket.
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Can't believe Belly is getting stick for scroing an unbeaten hundred in a winning cause. So because it was a dead rubber rather than a 'live' game in the series his innings doesn't count? The 2 'big guns' in Cook and Pietersen both failed in a 'non pressure' game but they can turn it on in the big games so that makes them better players? If everyone performed in the big games and not in these non pressure games then we would still be losing lots of games.
I know he has had plenty of opportunties and maybe struggled at times early in his career but he still averages more in ODIs than Collingwood, Gilchrist, Dilshan, Sehwag, Gibbs and Jayawardene so he must be doing something right.
Since he came back into the team he has averaged over 55 with a strike rate of 80, so are we not happy with those numbers?
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The thing is you are remembered for winning world cups and ashes not dead rubbers. I think that took his series average up from 27 to 58, He saves the day again
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So what is he supposed to do, give his wicket away and put his feet up because it's not a so called 'big game'?
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His place will still be under threat until he does it in the bigger games. Cook and Pieterson have earned the right to be in the team without a heartbeat. Bell has played enough cricket and has enough ability to have been in the same boat. But he hasn't stood up in the important games.
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So what is he supposed to do, give his wicket away and put his feet up because it's not a so called 'big game'?
No he's supposed to score runs in a presure situation, or when it really counts when we want to win a series. He's given his wicket away on numerous occasions with a rash or silly shot, when we really needed to win the game.
....and an average and strike rate can be inflated by scoring easy runs in meaningless games.
I'm happy for you to prove me wrong, but my personal impression is that he is a fine, fine player, who has got out cheaply in pressure situations or in games we have to win by playing rash shots.
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I am happy to admit that he hasn't always performed when we would hope he would but only 9 other englishman have scored a hundred in India in an ODI, so I think it's a bit unfair to criticise him for that.
It's like when everybody kept going on that he hadn't scored a century in a test without someone else getting one first when the majority of the time he was coming in at 5 or 6, so the odds of that happening where always stacked against him.
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I think he's a test no.5 and not a no.3, and i think he's a good one.
However I've watched enough England cricket over the last few years to think he's a bit suss under pressure.
Same bowling attack, similar conditions (in fact more bowler friendly today than last week).
Anyway, it's not a witch-hunt, I really want the guy to do well - I just want hime to score a dificult, match-changing ton like I feel Strauss, Cook, Trott and KP have all done.
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TT Bresnan has taken 4 wickets and it is the turning point of game. ST Finn also have dominated on bowling line.Afterall england won by 7 wickets.
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Bell gets a lot of stick, yet when you look at his record side by side with Hick's, ODI wise they have very similar averages, but Bell's Test performances are a lot better.
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Bell gets a lot of stick, yet when you look at his record side by side with Hick's, ODI wise they have very similar averages, but Bell's Test performances are a lot better.
Bell's played in a hell of a lot more successful England side than Hick ever did though. And although he's played his part in that, he's not been one of the key men.
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Hick also did not get to play tests against the likes of Bangladesh
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In 6 games Ian Bell has scored 633 runs @ 158.25 vs Bangladesh haha
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In 6 games Ian Bell has scored 633 runs @ 158.25 vs Bangladesh haha
Which is better than Pietersen's record v Bangladesh ;)
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Which is better than Pietersen's record v Bangladesh ;)
Was always going to be the case with their barrage of SLA's.
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I can't believe that people still point to Ian Bell's century against SA as some kind of turning point in his career.......it obviously wasn't otherwise these discussions wouldn't still be going on! Average player who could be replaced quite comfortably with no discernible impact on the England side.
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I think the real question here is not whether Ian Bell is or is not a class player, more how good would Hick have been under the current management regime.
answer: an all time great, in my view.
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I think the real question here is not whether Ian Bell is or is not a class player, more how good would Hick have been under the current management regime.
answer: an all time great, in my view.
I think you are correct. Would Ramps have been different under the current management regime as well?
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Ramps could have been one of the best of his generation. Not sure so much about Hick but he would of been given a fairer chance....
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Im guessing that you mean the faith that is shown in players, allowing them to stay in the team regardless of results?
I find that the current system does make it harder for county players to get a call up to the England test squad, but the system creates a lot more for the test team.
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Im guessing that you mean the faith that is shown in players, allowing them to stay in the team regardless of results?
I find that the current system does make it harder for county players to get a call up to the England test squad, but the system creates a lot more for the test team.
But most County Players aren't really good enough for a call up to the test squad, so that shouldn't be an issue...
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Faith is good - if you believe that the guy is good enough, you ideally need to give him 5-10 tests to prove you right or wrong; although I don't always agree with their selections, I don't agree with the likes of Taylor and Khan being given only one or at best two tests to prove themselves.
Hick and Ramprakash are interesting cases. For what its worth, I don't think Ramprakash would have "made" it - for all Bell has occasional mental frailties, he doesn't quite match Ramps' ability to mentally self destruct, and I doubt that any amount of faith being shown in him would ever be enough to relax him. Hick is a tricky one - I don't think that the change of regimes would necessarily have made that much of a difference; however, the lack of genuinely world class fast bowling in most opposition sides would.
A couple of other names spring to mind as being ones who were cast aside by previous England regimes; Matthew Maynard and John Morris. Both were talented batsmen, but never really got the run of games in the side that was needed to see whether they had what it took.