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General Cricket => Your Cricket => Topic started by: SOULMAN1012 on January 05, 2013, 06:31:51 PM
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Right guys, I am hoping a few of you may be able to help me??
With winter nets starting on Friday I really want to try anyways to stop LBWs. I have never really been an LBW candidate before but over the last 2 seasons it seems to be becoming more of an issue. I bat on leg stump and always have. I have a very small trigger movement back and across.
I have tried standing a bit further to leg but seem to still find myself in front after a while. I started standing quite face on towards the end of last season. Bu this is mean as a RH batsman I would really open up my front (left) foot. I did this to try and make sure I wasn't trying to play round my front pad.
I am 30 years old and played cricket for 20 years but it almost feels that at times I have never batted as I feel really alien when in my stance. The club does not have a proper coach at present so I am seeing if any if the coaches or anybody really may be able to help me underStand what is going wrong. I know this may be hard as you can not see what I mean and it may just be a phase. But I play a decent level still and am worried as I need to iron this fault out before it becomes a permanent fixture in my game.
Thanks
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Get rid of the trigger movement and try and stay leg side of the ball. I've had issues with that as well mate and standing wider outside leg wasn't the solution as the trigger movement still brings you in front of all three.
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Clearing your front leg and trying to slap the ball helps get rid of LBW, but increases the bowled column :(
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I had issues with LBW towards the end of last season. I've been working on the bowling machine on my front foot movement.
After each shot, I turn and look to see where my front foot is in relation to the stumps. A lot of the time during my troubles it had crept all the way over to off stump and even beyond, making anything straight quite difficult to play around my pad as well as making me an easy LBW victim.
This autumn/winter I've been trying to ensure my front foot never gets any further across than middle, and in most cases, leg. My bat then comes down alongside my pad, and the bat is in line with the stumps instead of the pad.
I lose some effectiveness when driving wider deliveries and I can leave a gap between bat and pad sometimes when 'chasing' the wider ones outside off, but as the drive is IMO the best part of my game, I'm backing myself to be able to put these away.
In addition I've opened my stance out a little, and I've experimented with pointing my toes on my front foot towards the non strikers end as part of my stance, before the bowler starts to deliver the ball.
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Another useful thing for me to be able to help you is to see some video of you batting.
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I had a problem with lbw also, i wasgetting out a lot to it. Easy change to leg stump and I didnt get out lbw again all year!
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right, being pinned lbw is usually due to your head getting to the offside of the ball, also possible with too much movement.
I would always encourage a side on stance (and no trigger).
try when you net working hard to keep your head in line and practice playing in the v, especially to straight and slightly leg side balls. Avoid the whip to the leg side.
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Another useful thing for me to be able to help you is to see some video of you batting.
I am quite interested in visiting you for some 1:1 coaching its just I live down in Kent so a long way to travel. I am so not good with computers etc i can get a full size pic to upload to this forum let alone take and upload a video lol.
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I am an opening bat so expect to get out LBW a few times but I was out 52% of the time last year.
I know in my head I am worried about being bowled. At the end of the day if the balls crashes into my stumps I am walking back. If its an LBW shout I may survive. I can't even really blame the umpires as most are pretty good or league appointed some times.
I have always had the trigger movement but it is minimal.
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In 2011 when I moved to the first team the first 5 games I played in I was out LBW. What I found I was doing was planting my front foot and then getting hit. To fix it all I simply did was learn to move a little later and then suddenly, no more LBW's. I don't know if that's what your doing but it's worth thinking about, it might have nothing to do with getting to far across but more to do with you moving the front leg to quickly so essentially getting in line with the ball rather than just inside the line of it etc.
Hopefully that makes sense, hard to describe without videos.
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it might have nothing to do with getting to far across but more to do with you moving the front leg to quickly so essentially getting in line with the ball rather than just inside the line of it etc.
Hopefully that makes sense, hard to describe without videos.
Do you know what I had not thought of that point of view. I never thought moving to early may be a cause of the problem. I will work on trying to get just inside the ball. I play very straight so there could be a bit to what you say procricket.
Thanks
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right, being pinned lbw is usually due to your head getting to the offside of the ball, also possible with too much movement.
I would always encourage a side on stance (and no trigger).
try when you net working hard to keep your head in line and practice playing in the v, especially to straight and slightly leg side balls. Avoid the whip to the leg side.
This.
As Buzz said, it's got less to do with stance and more to do with head because you are playing around the ball...... It's an easy habit to adopt to step out towards off and end up inside the line of the ball, once you are leaning over or falling away to play back around yourself, your
Get into whatever stance is comfortable and familiar to you and practice playing straight with your head and elbow in line with the ball.
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These guys know more about it than I do, I just know what worked to fix my particular problem. I did get given out last year LBW to a left arm bowler. Bit annoying as it pitched well outside leg stump AND my front foot was outside leg stump too.. Still, league umpires are known for triggering people :) I was going well on 40 off 42 balls too :(
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Get into whatever stance is comfortable and familiar to you and practice playing straight with your head and elbow in line with the ball.
I will spend some time playing shadow shots in front of the mirror again. I will also spend some time trying to get rid the trigger movement if possible as a few people have said its better without one.
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I know how you feel mate I was given out LBW twice in the 90's last season. One may have been a bt suspect but the 2nd was most defiantly plumb. Don't sweep the 1st ball of a bowlers spell
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Can arrange a special deal for say a 2 hour session with you if you are travelling a long distance mate?
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Can arrange a special deal for say a 2 hour session with you if you are travelling a long distance mate?
I may take you up on that offer mate as its about 2 hours to your place from me so when the kids are back after this very very long ( or feels like it has been) Christmas holiday at school I should be able to get a man day to myself and come visit you.
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Send me a pm whenever you want to get something arranged :)
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Will do Jake, thanks mate
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Revert back to your old stance on leg and play straighter. Don't whip off your legs. You'll find it easier once you show the full face of the bat to a ball.
I.e. play more through mid wicket rather than square/ backward square.
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Revert back to your old stance on leg and play straighter. Don't whip off your legs. You'll find it easier once you show the full face of the bat to a ball.
I.e. play more through mid wicket rather than square/ backward square.
I don't really whip of my legs, its not that I am playing bad shots most of the time. I am quite a technical player and score pretty well all round the ground I am more of an accumulator really so it's not like I am playing big shots looking for massive sixes etc. I just seem to almost loose track of where I am and find myself in front at times.
Chris
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Think. You need to find the cause. Of the problem not the result?
I know personally if I'm. Not upright I have tendency to fall over meaning pads in front playing around pads.
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It sounds to me like your weight is not coming forward enough and you are hanging back, or, that your head is coming down on the off side of the ball, (this would lead to a lot of half-strides and being hit on the pad, inside edges, and a lot of shots square of mid-wicket)
I would not suggest changing the trigger. I only know a few batsmen (inc. myself) who do not use a trigger. just make sure that your weight is coming forwards on the line of the ball. I would suggest starting with spin. I.e. forward press, and then look to play through mid-off (drill) and likewise, with seam look to play through mid on (straight bat) in order to do this, your weight must be spot on.
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Mate, if you're getting to the 90's twice then you're obviously doing something right lol. If you're averaging 35+ and getting out lbw 52% of the time thats a problem I want! Definitely a head issue for me, is it from inswing or outswing?
P.S. I've come around to the Buzz school of thinking and don't agree wholly with trigger movements, too difficult to implement well!
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take a middle and leg guard
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Do you know what I had not thought of that point of view. I never thought moving to early may be a cause of the problem. I will work on trying to get just inside the ball. I play very straight so there could be a bit to what you say procricket.
Thanks
Agree. If your head is going to far to off then your balance is all shot. Means you miss straight ones that you will usually clip through leg or even just defend. Channel 9 (in Oz) did a piece on Cowan as his head kept going too far to the off side. Kept getting bowled although I think it falls in line with LBW.
One drill I work with my players is to play their shot as per normal in the net and then ask them to stay in the shot. Then ask them where they think their head is in relation to their off stump (or middle) without them looking where their stumps are. Sometimes they were far outside off stump or on leg etc. Also helps with leaving and knowing where your off stump is. Good luck.
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take a middle and leg guard
That was a plan i was gonna try
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Mate, if you're getting to the 90's twice then you're obviously doing something right lol. If you're averaging 35+ and getting out lbw 52% of the time thats a problem I want! Definitely a head issue for me, is it from inswing or outswing?
P.S. I've come around to the Buzz school of thinking and don't agree wholly with trigger movements, too difficult to implement well!
Bloody annoying though getting out LBW when you have done the hardwork lol. Normally inswing. I have been thinking about this and checked it on the club website only out once to spinners LBW normally early on in the innings or what appears to be really annoying is the amount of time i have been out to the 3-4 change bowlers which tend to be the tight containing hit the length type.
Like the one about seeing where my head is in relation to the off stump.
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Bloody annoying though getting out LBW when you have done the hardwork lol. Normally inswing. I have been thinking about this and checked it on the club website only out once to spinners LBW normally early on in the innings or what appears to be really annoying is the amount of time i have been out to the 3-4 change bowlers which tend to be the tight containing hit the length type.
Like the one about seeing where my head is in relation to the off stump.
Yeah just try and get to a point where you know exactly where your off stump is without even looking at it. What I have found that my players who have this problem have no idea where their head is in relation to their stumps. If that is the case you can't possibly make play the right shot. Often they will play a leg side shot to ball outside off (great if your KP). Some will get given out LBW and argue with the umpire that it had to missing leg when really they were falling to the off side and were trapped in front. Any way, as most people have said, sort your head out and you should be on the right track.
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A few thoughts.
Obviously, the one that I am very surprised nobody has already asked is, are you getting the same LBW decision repeatedly (eg Graeme Smith's tendency of falling over his front leg to an inswinger) or are you getting a range of decisions to different bowling?
I'll assume until you say otherwise that the latter is the case. I wonder, do you constantly check your guard? You say that you just seem to find yourself in front and I wonder whether you might be subconsciously geting further over as time progresses.
If this is not the case, its worth thinking about where you are moving your feet to - I've seen a lot of players who seem to look to throw their front leg at the ball, rather than just to the side of it. If you open your stance ever so slightly, you might find it easier to get the ball arriving under your nose and in the meat of the blade...
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Got to agree with your last paragraph. Buzz got me to do that and it made a big difference.
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A few thoughts.
Obviously, the one that I am very surprised nobody has already asked is, are you getting the same LBW decision repeatedly (eg Graeme Smith's tendency of falling over his front leg to an inswinger) or are you getting a range of decisions to different bowling?
I'll assume until you say otherwise that the latter is the case. I wonder, do you constantly check your guard? You say that you just seem to find yourself in front and I wonder whether you might be subconsciously geting further over as time progresses.
If this is not the case, its worth thinking about where you are moving your feet to - I've seen a lot of players who seem to look to throw their front leg at the ball, rather than just to the side of it. If you open your stance ever so slightly, you might find it easier to get the ball arriving under your nose and in the meat of the blade...
Normally against the inswinger mate. As I have said only once against a spin bowler and quite often against the change bowlers. Yea I check my guard quite often and always when a new bowler comes on. I am starting to think it is 2 things that come up a lot.
Firstly I think I have started to get to worried about being bowled so my be throwing, planting my front pad. Secondly I may need to see how straight is my head and where is it when I play my shot.
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I used to play on a wicket with indifferent bounce and more often than not, the ball kept very low. To counteract that, I used to try and get on my front foot, but I found that I was planting it down far too early and it got into a habit. This meant playing round my front foot, and once planted, it's difficult to then move. So several LBWs later had to make a change. I did it my taking a slight step back with my right foot, then moving the front foot forward. So it was now comign forward a split second later, giving me the opportunity to plant it relative to where the ball was, and not just in the same place every time.
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Normally against the inswinger mate. As I have said only once against a spin bowler and quite often against the change bowlers. Yea I check my guard quite often and always when a new bowler comes on. I am starting to think it is 2 things that come up a lot.
Firstly I think I have started to get to worried about being bowled so my be throwing, planting my front pad. Secondly I may need to see how straight is my head and where is it when I play my shot.
It is always tricky if you are planting your front leg and the ball comes back into you, because the pad naturally falls in the way of you getting your bat to the ball.
A good (if very dull) exercise that might help. Get a batting tee and place a ball on it on the line of off stump just short of a drive length. Practice the foot movement required to get your lead leg just inside the line of the ball, then add the bat and start to knock the ball straight back down the line of the pitch. Gradually progress to a friend rolling balls from wide on the crease at the stumps, again focussing on foot inside/play straight and work up through a bobble feed to eventually a bowling machine. You'll soon groove the muscles to bring your foot down inside the line rather than in line.