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General Cricket => World Cricket => England => Topic started by: Ams4287 on January 27, 2013, 06:06:50 PM
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Ok with the 1st half of the winter over and done with and the clock well and truly ticking to Ashes - who do you think should be the X1 rocking up for the first test? Maybe there's only the opening / number 6 spots up for grabs?
Cook
Root
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Barstow
Prior
Broad (if he proves his fitness and form at home vs NZ)
Swann
Finn
Anderson
Do like the look of the new bread of Aussie quicks but they seem injury prone! What do you think the line up will be? Don't rate Forrest or Lyon, hopefully they will be retained!
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Cook
Root
Trott
Pieterson
Bell
Bairstow
Prior
Swann
Anderson
Meaker
Finn
Hopefully they pick a team that will win games not pick a team based on what ifs.
Broad's batting shouldn't get him in the team same for Bresnan. Pick wicket takers not bowling machines
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England
Cook (C)
Comptom
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Morgan
Prior (WK)
Swann
Anderson
Finn
Onions/Panesar
Australia
Usman Khawaja
David Warner
Phillip Hughes
Michael Clarke (C)
Shane Watson
Chris Hartley (W)
Mitchell Johnson
Peter Siddle
Mitchell Starc
Nathan Lyon
James Pattinson
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Cook
Compton
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Root
Proir
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Finn
Warner
Cowan
Hughes
Watson
Clarke
Khawaja
Wade
Pattinson
Siddle
Hilfenhaus
Starc
Cummins in if fit.
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I reckon both Compton and Root will play, although I wouldn't be surprised to see Root moved up the order and Compton to 6.
Broad will play unless he is utterly abysmal/Dies/injured* in New Zealand. The rest of the team picks itself;
Cook
Root/Compton
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Compton/Root
Prior
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Finn
* delete as appropriate!
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find it remarkable the number of people who would play Compton but leave Root out. Have you even seen any cricket in the last six months?
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find it remarkable the number of people who would play Compton but leave Root out. Have you even seen any cricket in the last six months?
He is what we need, classy young batsmen pushing Bell and co for his place
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Cook
Compton
Trott
KP
Bell
Root
Prior
Woakes
Swann
Anderson
Finn
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find it remarkable the number of people who would play Compton but leave Root out. Have you even seen any cricket in the last six months?
Well said has got a long England career in front of him, for someone so young he's calm under pressure and has a clear thought process.
Interesting people have gone for Morgan in tge middle order, whilst he's brilliant to watch and when inform one of the best one day batsmen in the world I just don't think he'll ever be classed as a test match batsmen. But I guess when Pietersen does eventually go who'll be the game changer in a session.
I do probably think Compton will open in NZ, but we'll see!
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Broad no longer deserves a place in the England test team. Woakes is a better batter which puts him in. Root will play at 6 due to being able to bowl and will be seen as an "all rounder" Compton is a solid batsman which will see him there for the next few series. If the selecters are happy with the top 8 (including Woakes) I would drop Swann for Panesar
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I would drop Swann for Panesar
Really? All those left handers will be in a world of problems with swann surely!
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Really? All those left handers will be in a world of problems with swann surely!
It's a good situation to be in as a selector mate. They both have their pros and cons
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It's a good situation to be in as a selector mate. They both have their pros and cons
Wouldn't drop Swann but there is a case that Monty outbowls him in the sub continent.
Could be worse look at Lyon and Krazer (how ever you spell his name) - beer is best of the bunch but he's a average county spinner at best
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Love how Bell is back in everyone's selections!
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Love how Bell is back in everyone's selections!
Bell never left my selection! He a MUST in the England team for the next 5 years, regardless of form
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No one think Taylor's worth another look?
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Nah Taylor well down the pecking order now. Root, compton, Morgan , bairstow all infront of him
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Nah Taylor well down the pecking order now. Root, compton, Morgan , bairstow all infront of him
Shame really I think he's a classy player (not that I have anything against the other lads)
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No one think Taylor's worth another look?
He most definitely is, got blooded against the best side in the world and stood up to scrutiny, and is still (in my view) the best of the young batsmen, hands down. Supreme talent. Has several gears, and has excellent temperament. This innings is still one of the best one day innings I've seen, was a joy to watch http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2012/engine/match/542755.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2012/engine/match/542755.html) and I think along with Root + Bairstow (and possibly a few others, Hales for example) will be in the side for quite a while.
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I don't think Morgan is ahead of anyone in the order these days.
Next cabs off the rank (assuming Root and Compton are in) Bairstow, Taylor, Morgan?
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Delighted by root so far by the way!
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Delighted by root so far by the way!
I think he has the minerals to make it for sure, I still find this scorecard staggering. Yes it's Div 2 but on what must've been a green top he gets 2/3rds of his teams score.
http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2012/engine/match/542590.html (http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2012/engine/match/542590.html)
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My England 1st Xi
Cook
Compton
Trott
KP
Root
Taylor
Prior
Swann
Tremlett
Finn
Anderson
My reasoning is I like the idea of compton and cook batting for days and days and days and days... oh and days. With the class of Trott and a licence given to KP we have batting power galore. If all goes wrong then Root and Taylor are way good enough to drag it back OR play that run a ball innings. Prior is well, a must. Swann is well.. swann, best spinner we have. Tremlett is so under-rated. Finn and Andermong get in for pace/bounce and swing.
My back ups are Bairstow, Bell, Meaker,Broad, Monty. Reasons, Bairstow is next in line to me for 5/6 postiion and Root is just waiting for a top slot to open up (So if compdog fails to shine by the end of the ashes I'd drop him). Bell, well he's an ignigma... he's got everything but just doesn't perform. But he's still worth being a drinks boy. meaker is there as he is probably up there wicket taking wise, with broad as second back up. Monty is our second best test spinner currently so he's there..
That's my line up.. pick it apart at your leisure.
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He most definitely is, got blooded against the best side in the world and stood up to scrutiny, and is still (in my view) the best of the young batsmen, hands down. Supreme talent. Has several gears, and has excellent temperament. This innings is still one of the best one day innings I've seen, was a joy to watch [url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2012/engine/match/542755.html[/url] ([url]http://www.espncricinfo.com/county-cricket-2012/engine/match/542755.html[/url]) and I think along with Root + Bairstow (and possibly a few others, Hales for example) will be in the side for quite a while.
Agreed he deffo looks like he has the stones for a hard fought series against the Aussies and has the skills to back it up
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I don't think Morgan is ahead of anyone in the order these days.
I had a word with Mr Flower. Morgan's still ahead of you and me (just).
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I reckon we'll line up like this:
Cook
Compton
Trott
Pietersen
Bell
Root
Prior
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Finn
Have not been convinced with Broad for a couple of years now but really can't see him being left out unless injured. Bairstow will probably be first reserve batsman and Onions/Bresnan will be the reserve seamers.
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I had a word with Mr Flower. Morgan's still ahead of you and me (just).
Speak for yourself, I reckon I'm just edging Eioinoen in the longer format at the moment - it's all this reverse-sweeping!
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Anyone see tremlett getting back into the side now he's on his way back to fitness? Seems to be the forgotten man at the moment
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I forgot Hales.. I'd take him along too. With the view to starting to get him fully involved as the long term replacements for Bell/Trott or KP.
@ad2606 - umm, did you not see my post. If Tremlett is back fit I'd take him as he will offer more than Broad. And realistically we shouldn't need more than a top 7 to get us the runs
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I forgot Hales.. I'd take him along too. With the view to starting to get him fully involved as the long term replacements for Bell/Trott or KP.
@ad2606 - umm, did you not see my post. If Tremlett is back fit I'd take him as he will offer more than Broad. And realistically we shouldn't need more than a top 7 to get us the runs
Sorry multitude of names + lack of sleep must have missed it! Agree that realistically we should only need runs from top 7, can't see the ultra defensive selectors going down that route though its a shame as I really rate tremlett deffo a better option than broad or even Bresnan
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I think Bresnan may have disappeared.
woakes to do well in NZ? Lack of pace against movement and ability to bat at no8
May be time for Trem yet - although push swann to 8 and you are looking at Meaker, Trem, Harris, roland-Jones, and a few young others.
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Bell never left my selection! He a MUST in the England team for the next 5 years, regardless of form
Agree Reds, technique is like class.
Lasts forever!
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Cook
Root
Trott
Pieterson
Bell
Prior
Woakes
Swann
Anderson
Tremlet
Panasar
I have gone for the more bowlers option. I do not believe Australia can bowl us out twice to win a test match. Broad will come back in for me but only if he can get that pace back up to very high 80's in NZ. Tremlet scared all the Aus batsmen last time, swann and panasar are both bowling excellent cricket at present and apart from Clarke no Aussie is great against spin and Anderson is world class, woakes is new and worth a go
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Cook
Compton
Trott
Pieterson
Bell
Root
Prior
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Finn
That's my prefered 11 and one that I think could be more than possible. Although the selectors seem to want to put Bresnan in, thinking that he could add runs but lets be honest the top 7 that we have should be getting enough to not worry about that
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Some new names in your projected English team since the last time we played you.
Might have to look into players such as Root, Bairstow, Meaker and Compton and read up on them.
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Agree Reds, technique is like class.
Lasts forever!
Technique isn't everything though and I think people get very fixated on it 'looking' right. At the end of the day it's about runs, and runs consistently not just a series of rubbish and one big one against the 'weak' teams.
This translates to lower level stuff too, the amount of times I hear people lord and build up player x just because they 'look' good.. yet there are usually far better players around who score more runs but just 'look' worse.. At the end of the day it's runs that count. 'We' need an england batsmen to be able to actually score consistently against the top sides, not just the rubbish at the bottom.
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We will have to agree to disagree.
A solid technique will help with defence and picking gaps.
The Aussies may not be the best Aussie team ever, but you certainly can't underestimate them.
:)
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Technique isn't everything though and I think people get very fixated on it 'looking' right. At the end of the day it's about runs, and runs consistently not just a series of rubbish and one big one against the 'weak' teams.
This translates to lower level stuff too, the amount of times I hear people lord and build up player x just because they 'look' good.. yet there are usually far better players around who score more runs but just 'look' worse.. At the end of the day it's runs that count. 'We' need an england batsmen to be able to actually score consistently against the top sides, not just the rubbish at the bottom.
But the Aussies are rubbish. :D
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I didn't say you didn't have to have technique, but just keeping a player in because 'they look class' isn't good enough. But yeah let's agree to disagree over Mr Bell.
I'm not underestimating them, I reckon if they manage to put a run together and have their 'best' 11 on the field and firing we are in for one hell of a 5 test series.
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Potentially very good bowling attack + Lyon but I'm not concerned about their batting at all
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I'm sorry but anybody who doesn't think Ian Bell should be in the test team in 6 months time has very little knowledge of cricket! We need our strongest possible team against Australia, with a 3,4,5 of Trott, KP and Bell! A strong middle order is key! You can not put Taylor or Bairstow in there for such a challenge! We will be going into it with compton and Root lacking full experience but with just the beginnings of a test career! I agree Taylor etc are a huge Talent but for me experience wins over promising Talent in such an important series.
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I'm sorry but anybody who doesn't think Ian Bell should be in the test team in 6 months time has very little knowledge of cricket! We need our strongest possible team against Australia, with a 3,4,5 of Trott, KP and Bell! A strong middle order is key! You can not put Taylor or Bairstow in there for such a challenge! We will be going into it with compton and Root lacking full experience but with just the beginnings of a test career! I agree Taylor etc are a huge Talent but for me experience wins over promising Talent in such an important series.
Or maybe just has a different opinion to you. Not sure it's fair you coming out and saying 'you don't know what your talking about'
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Or maybe just has a different opinion to you. Not sure it's fair you coming out and saying 'you don't know what your talking about'
Well he's right to be fair. Ian Bell has a higher Test average than Damien Martyn who batted at 5 or 6 in the best cricket team I have ever seen
To drop him now would be a very stupid decision and not one that is realistically crossing the minds of the selectors
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Well he's right to be fair. Ian Bell has a higher Test average than Damien Martyn who batted at 5 or 6 in the best cricket team I have ever seen
To drop him now would be a very stupid decision and not one that is realistically crossing the minds of the selectors
let's see come the end of the ashes. My prediction is he avg's less than 25 over 5 tests.
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let's see come the end of the ashes. My prediction is he avg's less than 25 over 5 tests.
So you accept he will be playing in all 5 Tests then?
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Cook
Compton
Trott
KP
Bell
Root
Prior
Swann
Anderson
Finn
Tremlett
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Jury's out on Broad it would seem?
Does anyone know what Bells ave is against the Aussies?
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So you accept he will be playing in all 5 Tests then?
I have no doubt he will as he's regarded as a regular but I thought this was a discussion on who we would have and reasoning. Obviously only if you agree with people.sorry my fault. I feel England have better options for now and the future than Bell so I said it. Just because a couple of you don't agree you feel the need to state your superior views are worth more etc etc.
You believe what you want, I'll place my bet and we can see if A) he plays and b) if he averages <25. I hope as an England fan if he plays then I want him to do well.
I'll only post back slapping agreement from now on, don't want to disagree with you 'experts'.
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Jury's out on Broad it would seem?
Does anyone know what Bells ave is against the Aussies?
32 career average vs Oz
44 in Oz
20 in England
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Fascinating - so he's poo in england against the Aussies, and thats where the first half of the series is!
I have no doubt he will play a big part, and I hope he does well - however, I'm not sure he'll make it through all 10 tests!
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Jury's out on Broad it would seem?
Does anyone know what Bells ave is against the Aussies?
Form is everything with Broad, at his best very very good but so inconsistent. Needs a good few months now, England will keep faith with him as that is the current way of the management
Not as high against others but I'm not sure you can drop someone because of their record against one team. Could set a very dodgy precedent for the future. His figures would be down due to the sherminator series but this Australian attack is far from that standard. I'd keep the faith, the grass isn't always greener
I have no doubt he will as he's regarded as a regular but I thought this was a discussion on who we would have and reasoning. Obviously only if you agree with people.sorry my fault. I feel England have better options for now and the future than Bell so I said it. Just because a couple of you don't agree you feel the need to state your superior views are worth more etc etc.
You believe what you want, I'll place my bet and we can see if A) he plays and b) if he averages <25. I hope as an England fan if he plays then I want him to do well.
I'll only post back slapping agreement from now on, don't want to disagree with you 'experts'.
No need to throw your toys out of your pram, if you are going to post opinions on a forum prepare to be questioned. Nothing personal I just don't agree with your view of Ian Bell :(
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AUS squad i would pick
Warner
Cowan
Hughes
Khawaja
Clarke
Watson
Wade
O'Keefe
Johnson/Bird
Starc
Siddle
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Bell will play - and he *probably* will do so on merit. I think that most people would accept that he is someone who has been given quite good treatment by the selectors over the years, overlooking the amount of time it took him to progress from someone who scored the easy runs well to a batsman who was capable of shaping games. I think if we were talking about another series on the sub continent then we might consider his place, but when playing against a pace heavy attack in English conditions he is pretty much a safe bet.
I think the biggest questions really are over the sixth batting slot, third seamer and, just possibly, the balance of the side. Handling those questions in order:
I think its pretty clear that Cook, Trott, Root, Pietersen and Bell will start the series - the remaining question is, assuming that there is not a move toward five bowlers, whether Nick Compton takes the last slot (with Root coming in at six) or whether Jonny Bairstow comes back into the equation. Personally, I think that JB showed more in the South Africa game than Compton did in India, and he is the younger, more generally talented and long term option. I also think that Root is wasted at six.
The third seamer is tough - Finn and Anderson will share the new ball and Bresnan, much as the selectors want the bowler who was so good in the Ashes back, will take a long time to regain full fitness if the matter is handled properly. I suspect if he is fit that Stuart "I saw Andy Flower kissing Santa Claus" Broad will come back in, but I wonder whether a fit again Tremlett or Bunny Onions (whose accuracy would be of great value against a raw top order prone to nicking off) would come back into it.
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I think Meaker is a bolter for the first Test.
Especially if he gets wickets for Slurrey.
I think that Root will open if Compton fails in NZ. Though lets see what happens when the ball bounces higher than shin height first.
Otherwise, I agree that no. 6 is a potential problem - Bairstow isn't ready in my opinion.
I expect Broad maybe injured.
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The thing is, Meaker doesn't get wickets for Surrey and never really has. He's a bit short of the finished article at this stage I'd say.
As for Bairstow - if he isn't ready, how do you explain his performances against South Africa?
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Bell will play - and he *probably* will do so on merit. I think that most people would accept that he is someone who has been given quite good treatment by the selectors over the years, overlooking the amount of time it took him to progress from someone who scored the easy runs well to a batsman who was capable of shaping games. I think if we were talking about another series on the sub continent then we might consider his place, but when playing against a pace heavy attack in English conditions he is pretty much a safe bet.
I think the biggest questions really are over the sixth batting slot, third seamer and, just possibly, the balance of the side. Handling those questions in order:
I think its pretty clear that Cook, Trott, Root, Pietersen and Bell will start the series - the remaining question is, assuming that there is not a move toward five bowlers, whether Nick Compton takes the last slot (with Root coming in at six) or whether Jonny Bairstow comes back into the equation. Personally, I think that JB showed more in the South Africa game than Compton did in India, and he is the younger, more generally talented and long term option. I also think that Root is wasted at six.
The third seamer is tough - Finn and Anderson will share the new ball and Bresnan, much as the selectors want the bowler who was so good in the Ashes back, will take a long time to regain full fitness if the matter is handled properly. I suspect if he is fit that Stuart "I saw Andy Flower kissing Santa Claus" Broad will come back in, but I wonder whether a fit again Tremlett or Bunny Onions (whose accuracy would be of great value against a raw top order prone to nicking off) would come back into it.
Totally agree, Root has to open! Considering how well he's done at an unfamiliar position and game situations, imagine how well he can do with Cook.
However, I'm not sure they will even pick Root for Tests. Compton seems to be favoured at the moment, and unless he scores no runs in NZ then I reckon he'll be picked to open with Cook, Root maybe having the 6 spot.
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Does anyone think that, given a strong start to the season Tremlett might feature? He seems to be a forgotten man due to his injuries but, at his best, I still think he would be there or thereabouts.....if he starts the season strongly he'd have to be considered...
I think the line up will be
Cook
Compton
Trott
KP
Bell
Root
Prior
Swann
Broad
Finn
Anderson
But that team pretty much picks itself doesn't it....!
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Not entirely - as noted above I don't think Compton is anything like a shoe in. You might be right about Tremlett though - I think fully fit he remains a bowler England would very much like to have in their side.
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I think Compton has done enough so far (and in his county career) to suggest that he will make a good fist of the opening position. Obviously we'll see what happens in NZ though. I think Southee will be a decent test for him (I rate Southee) so if he comes through that then I think he's nailed on for the openers slot for the first test......
Alternatively Root to open and Bairstow at 6? OR maybe Ravi??? :D :D :D
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Root and JB would be my preference.
Compton needs a big series in New Zealand for me.
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1)Cook *
2)Compton
3)Trott
4)KP
5)Root
6)Taylor
7)Prior +
8)Woakes
9) Swann
10) anderson
11) Finn
rest of squad:
Bresnan, bairstow, hales, bell, onions, panesar.
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What do the Aussies think of George Bailey for an ashes call up?
Experienced, Grit, Appears to be competent with the bat. I think clarke's problem might be the lack of experienced cricketers around him to back him up.
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What do the Aussies think of George Bailey for an ashes call up?
Experienced, Grit, Appears to be competent with the bat. I think clarke's problem might be the lack of experienced cricketers around him to back him up.
I don't rate him to be honest..
I'd like to see Doolan given a call up
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Nice situation to be in that we seem to have so many to choose from.
I thin kmy team is the same as many have already listed.
Cook
Compton
Trott
Pieterson
Bell
Root
Prior
Broad
Swann
Anderson
Finn
I think Compton is only keeping the openers slot warm for Root - if Compton is shocking in NZ AND if Root continues to do well, then he might open v Australia, but I think that's 2 quite big ifs.
Personally I think it's pretty helathy to be getting international exposure at 6 with a view to him moving up the order at a later stage. If Compton does go, then I think JB should be nailed on as the next spot.
Bowling wise I think they'll stick with Broad if fit, but he must be running out of credit. I think a fit and in form Bresnan would be great, but will it happen? If not, I really rate Woakes and would love to see him involved.
Tremlett needs a season of County Cricket before he can challenge again in my eyes - look how long it took Onions to get back into contention! Would defineitly like to see Bunny get a game before the Goober.
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I think Broad must have photos of someone at the ECB doing inappropriate things to chickens
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I know what you mean about Tremlett getting time under his belt but, well, lets be realistic - he may never be the kind of guy who plays year in year out, so we should perhaps make the bes of him whilst we can.
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I don't rate him to be honest..
I'd like to see Doolan given a call up
He's pro for Kendall in northern premier this year so he should be used to the green seamers by june
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Australia have far more questions to consider than England. I suspect they're probably looking at Warner, Cowan, Hughes, Watson, Clarke, Khawaja, Wade as their top seven with Lyon to chuck pies and some permutation of Pattinson/Siddle/Starc/Hilfenhaus/Bird/Johnson/Cummins/Hastings/Hazlewood as the seamers, but there is no clear plan for back up batting, nor for whether they stick with a non bowling Watson, and if so whether they go for his preference of opening or not...
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He's pro for Kendall in northern premier this year so he should be used to the green seamers by june
Maybe there is a reason for him signing ;) :D... Experience on the green tops
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Australia have far more questions to consider than England. I suspect they're probably looking at Warner, Cowan, Hughes, Watson, Clarke, Khawaja, Wade as their top seven with Lyon to chuck pies and some permutation of Pattinson/Siddle/Starc/Hilfenhaus/Bird/Johnson/Cummins/Hastings/Hazlewood as the seamers, but there is no clear plan for back up batting, nor for whether they stick with a non bowling Watson, and if so whether they go for his preference of opening or not...
I actually think that's a pretty strong looking squad to choose from there.... With most bowlers batting quite acceptable as well.... Lyon is the worry though
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I actually think that's a pretty strong looking squad to choose from there.... With most bowlers batting quite acceptable as well.... Lyon is the worry though
Their seamers should keep them competitive but Lyon is weak and the absence of a back of bowler amongst the batsmen will prove problematic given the poor injury records of most of those quicks. As for the batting - you couldn't call it strong really as, apart from Clarke, they're all players who'll manage one good knock a series against a top side.
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Maybe there is a reason for him signing ;) :D... Experience on the green tops
Sounds similar to what happened with Phil Hughes, look where that got him that year!
That said he is looking a much more solid player now, Last 'summer' over here helped him I think
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Sounds similar to what happened with Phil Hughes, look where that got him that year!
That said he is looking a much more solid player now, Last 'summer' over here helped him I think
I think Hughes is looking far better going by his last couple of outings
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The thing is, Meaker doesn't get wickets for Surrey and never really has. He's a bit short of the finished article at this stage I'd say.
As for Bairstow - if he isn't ready, how do you explain his performances against South Africa?
I think there's merit in picking a raw young quick that the Aussies won't have seen much of, if nothing else to add something different.
Bairstow, hmm, I'm just not sure. He played well against the Saffers in that one game, but he's still rough around the edges for a consistent top order batting spot.
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Personally I'd love to see Tremlett back fit and firing and would have him in my eleven if he was. Onions is also a viable option particularly in English conditions. Again Meaker presents a wicket threat. I'd be wary of playing Finn and Meaker in the same team however. You don't want to have to ask one of them to take on a holding role, they are both strike bowlers in my opinion and should be used as such
The selectors don't like to turn their back on players though so Broad and Bresnan will still be in the mix. Overall good options for England! If you throw Swann and Panesar (and possibly even Tredwell) into the mix aswell I would say this is as strong a group of bowlers as England have had for a very long time
I think the selectors will stick with Compton short-term which is fair enough. Will do Root no harm atall to get some experience at 6. And then when he does replace Compton at the top it opens up the 6 spot for whichever of the younger batsmen has impressed the most at the time
Bopara I never want to see near an England squad again in any format. He has had plenty of chances and not taken them and with Bairstow, Taylor etc coming through his time has passed