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Companies => Off-the-shelf companies => Topic started by: joeylough on February 10, 2013, 09:28:22 PM
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Well ive just gone on the M&H website and the new gear is on there.
Ive got to say, im not as much of a fan of the white compared to the brown leather.
But I do prefer the black and white bags.
Any other views.
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i see the spinning products we used first has now caught on with the bats gloves etc
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Well ive just gone on the M&H website and the new gear is on there.
Ive got to say, im not as much of a fan of the white compared to the brown leather.
But I do prefer the black and white bags.
Any other views.
I was very much underwhelmed with their new range after seeing their stand at the Lord's show, and that's why we haven't got any of their new kit in yet. I much preferred the tan leather softs, especially on the wicket keeping gloves. Interestingly, myself and a couple of other retailers have twisted their arm about these old keeping gloves, and they're getting another shipment of them in in time for the season, so they haven't actually been discontinued now after all! :) Will be interesting to see if the same thing happens with the Distinction batting gloves...
The tan leather bags are carrying over, though, despite the new black bags being added.
I like the idea of a lighter Master bat, and the junior Amplus is, comfortably, the largest kids' bat I've ever seen, but the new range lacks imagination and innovation, and the tan leather was their USP, that lots of people loved, so if it ain't broke, why fix it?!
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I do like the spinning gloves, so hats off to you tom.
Paul, I fully agree about the wicket keeping gloves. That was the first thing I looked at and well was quite disappointed.
Bring back the TAN!!
The canvas style bags look much better.
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is no one going to mention the frankly monstrous T1 pads??? Who designed those! Horrible, just horrible...
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oh god, even puma couldnt think of something worse!
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T1 pads aren't my cup of tea, but everything else looks lovely as usual from M&H.
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T1 bag looks awesome, perfect to me. but £100 i couldnt stretch that far
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Has anyone had a feel of those aluminium gloves? - I'm more than a little bit worried it could be a marketing gimmick.....
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is no one going to mention the frankly monstrous T1 pads??? Who designed those! Horrible, just horrible...
Could not agree more they are hideous!!! I think the all white this year on the other softs is really good. I am going to put my head on the chopping block and say I prefer it to the tan.
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£120 for those pads? I remember finding a link to them a while ago from a small company selling the exact same pads for about £35. God help anyone that buys those.
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the T1 bag is very similar to one i designed last year. Hopefully am having it made soon if the manufacturers stop messing around. alot more than mine will be charged out at!
website looks OK. pads are horrible. The history section made me chuckle a little. Factually correct or over exaggerated?
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Maybe a bit of artistic license was added to the history.
Look forward to seeing the finished bag then john!
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Maybe a bit of artistic license was added to the history.
Look forward to seeing the finished bag then john!
your not the only one. been trying to get them made for ages!
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The T1 pads look awful. Offensive almost.
Rest of the range looks good, but very over priced
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T1 pads are awesome...Can you imagine the thought process they went through that had these as the eventual outcome :D The mind boggles!
I do like the look of that bag though - it's moved with the times with me - I've trimmed my kit down to 3 bats and if the bat holding thing is secure/padded enough (though hope they've accounted for people with bats from oversized clefts!) I'll probably get one of those as my current bag is too big (and I don't take 5 bats to games anymore)
They're still my favourite brand, but each year they seem to think they're invincible with innovation for innovations sake, trading on (very) past glories.
They'll always have their market (sticks hand up!) but they're testing my faith!
Can we have a sweepstake on what's the cheapest price we'll see these (T1 pads) from a retailer before the end of 2013? (Will any retailers actually stock them?!)
I'm saying £45.
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Rest of the range looks good, but very over priced
you've answered a lot of questions there.
they can release the polarizing pads whilst charging top money simply because of one thing.....the strength of the brand.
small suppliers take note, brand = power
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you've answered a lot of questions there.
they can release the polarizing pads whilst charging top money simply because of one thing.....the strength of the brand.
small suppliers take note, brand = power
It's just Veblen pricing, which has always been M&H's MO - a worrying trend tbh as it's driven a couple of other new brands to shamelessly (IMO) assume a similar position. Though the new brands adopting this strategy will need to do a lot to acquire the same reputation/brand/prestige/heritage that M&H has.
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It's just Veblen pricing, which has always been M&H's MO - a worrying trend tbh as it's driven a couple of other new brands to shamelessly (IMO) assume a similar position. Though the new brands adopting this strategy will need to do a lot to acquire the same reputation/brand/prestige/heritage that M&H has.
You've hit the nail on the head there Dan.
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It's just Veblen pricing, which has always been M&H's MO - a worrying trend tbh as it's driven a couple of other new brands to shamelessly (IMO) assume a similar position. Though the new brands adopting this strategy will need to do a lot to acquire the same reputation/brand/prestige/heritage that M&H has.
Good point, well presented.
It takes either a lot of time or a lot of money and quickly to build a brand.
These days small firms an utilise buyer feedback as their marketing 'currency'
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Its true - people see M&H (and also brands like Salix, Gunn & Moore and to a lesser extent Newbery) and immediately think of them as premium quality.
Of course, in many ways, they are. Not necessarily of a quality to match the prices they would like to charge - but they have created the idea in people's heads that their product are somehow more exclusive than the market norm.
Now, I have to say that I have a lot of time for M&H bats - I've had three and they've all been good uns. Whether they have been worth the top line price (which I didn't pay) is another matter entirely.
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I hope someone does a review of the T1 bag, it looks similar to design I had a while ago...I would be really interested in hearing people's thoughts on it before i decide if i want to take the plunge...
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I have always had high esteem for a brand like Millichamp and Hall due to them being very prestigious and exquisite. However, after their recent addendum I was perturbed due to aesthetically reason only as I preferred precursor kit.This was solely due to tan leather which in my opinion made them a lot more exquisite, hence, I hastily bought a pair off Johnny :D
Maybe I don't like 'big' bags but T1 looks enormous!!
Dan W, perfectly summed up. Always enjoy reading your post :)
Paul, when you get the tan leather keeping gloves please let me know.
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Uzair, do you have a M&H bag? if yes and you are not using it could you let me know how big, bat pockets etc and how much you would want for it? I might just buy it off you...
I have always had high esteem for a brand like Millichamp and Hall due to them being very prestigious and exquisite. However, after their recent addendum I was perturbed due to aesthetically reason only as I preferred precursor kit.This was solely due to tan leather which in my opinion made them a lot more exquisite, hence, I hastily bought a pair off Johnny :D
Maybe I don't like 'big' bags but T1 looks enormous!!
Dan W, perfectly summed up. Always enjoy reading your post :)
Paul, when you get the tan leather keeping gloves please let me know.
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I could be in the minority here but Millichamp and Hall kit has never realy made me think wow.
Yes they have produced outstanding bats and there bags well if you like that kind of thing but there pads and gloves have always been a bit gurish no matter how they do there instep and things.
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Uzair, do you have a M&H bag? if yes and you are not using it could you let me know how big, bat pockets etc and how much you would want for it? I might just buy it off you...
Yes, I have M&H Canvas Medium but it has deteriorated over the months and it is really not in pristine condition albeit from outside it looks in great nick but the zip joint at the bottom has come off due to stitching and support inside have been falling apart. It was from Millichamp and Hall clearance bin so it was expected perhaps.
I will never sell it due to its condition but if you want it then you can have it for gratis mate.
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Yes, I have M&H Canvas Medium but it has deteriorated over the months and it is really not in pristine condition albeit from outside it looks in great nick but the zip joint at the bottom has come off due to stitching and support inside have been falling apart. It was from Millichamp and Hall clearance bin so it was expected perhaps.
I will never sell it due to its condition but if you want it then you can have it for gratis mate.
Thanks for the offer Uzair, could you send me some pics? also is it big enough for bats to fit inside? I emailed M&H abt T1 earlier today but haven't heard back.
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your not the only one. been trying to get them made for ages!
I'd definately be interested if its similar to this T1
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I'd definately be interested if its similar to this T1
well its been a while so im not getting too excited yet but hopefully have the samples by early march. will keep you in the loop
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Can we have a sweepstake on what's the cheapest price we'll see these (T1 pads) from a retailer before the end of 2013? (Will any retailers actually stock them?!)
I'm saying £45.
We won't stock the T1 stuff. The pad is pretty out there. Though I do have a real desire to kit myself out in garish fashion:
M&H T1 pad
Kook Menace Mittens
GM Zona Bat
As for the people commenting on the pricing. Yes it's expensive, but remember this is them selling at rrp.
We are selling the T2 pad for £85
I quite like the new creamy white leather. The tan leather was iconic and classy, and I fell in love with it a while back, I had batting pads and gloves as well as the keeping stuff, but maybe they are right in deciding its time for a change.
As Paul mentioned, you can still get most of the old tan leather stuff if you really want it.
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The master bat is a tree with a handle in it.... id be amased to see someone bat for longer than 10 overs with it!
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The master bat is a tree with a handle in it.... id be amased to see someone bat for longer than 10 overs with it!
We have one at 2'10...
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Yes, the new Master is much lighter. I believe 2.11 fully dressed is the lowest they go now. Looking forward to Friday the 22nd as I'm visiting Taunton that day to hand-pick our new M&H bats...
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I have bats that weight 2"10 but dont pickup anywhere near that! I think trying to replicate Sachin's bat is a bad idea from Millichamp just because he would of had the pick of 100's of clefts to get the lightest one, where as millichamp are trying to do it en-masse. just my view for what it is worth
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Very overpriced in my opinion and it is almost impossible in my opinion for a M&H to pick up well. Great bats if you use a heavy bat but not much good otherwise, just my opinion though.
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T1 pads are awesome...Can you imagine the thought process they went through that had these as the eventual outcome :D The mind boggles!
The T1 pads are a standard design from somewhere else, I found a version of them for about £40 somewhere else after the trade show.
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The T1 pads are a standard design from somewhere else, I found a version of them for about £40 somewhere else after the trade show.
Did you see the T1 bag mate?
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Very overpriced in my opinion and it is almost impossible in my opinion for a M&H to pick up well. Great bats if you use a heavy bat but not much good otherwise, just my opinion though.
A guy in my club has one. It weighs 2.13 and I was shocked at how good the pick up was. I use 2.9/2.10 bats and it felt no lighter than that. I have no idea how that works? It defies the law of physics.
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The T1 pads are a standard design from somewhere else, I found a version of them for about £40 somewhere else after the trade show.
http://www.cricket-box.co.uk/acatalog/copy_of_Cricket-box_Moulded_Batting_Pads.html (http://www.cricket-box.co.uk/acatalog/copy_of_Cricket-box_Moulded_Batting_Pads.html)
there we go
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Very overpriced in my opinion and it is almost impossible in my opinion for a M&H to pick up well. Great bats if you use a heavy bat but not much good otherwise, just my opinion though.
I know you said it is your opinion and full price I agree they definitely are expensive but so are many of the bigger manufacturers top products. They are also aiming for the top end of the market and produce some quality products. They do have some good events at the end of season where you can get some good deals, I got a Amplus from them for £280 just before Christmas still not the cheapest but it is a big bat. I would also say that they are not all heavy the Amplus is 2'9 and pics up very well with great rebound. A few seasons ago I did go away form them as nothing was below 2'11 but seem to have redressed that now. Even my old solution always picked up well, my team mates were always amazed considering with the low swell position they struggled to keep their hands off it.
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[url]http://www.cricket-box.co.uk/acatalog/copy_of_Cricket-box_Moulded_Batting_Pads.html[/url] ([url]http://www.cricket-box.co.uk/acatalog/copy_of_Cricket-box_Moulded_Batting_Pads.html[/url])
there we go
:o i still would't buy them but wow same pad indeed...
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To bring up the M&H 2013 gear, the T2 gloves really are hideous. The rectangular segments of the gloves? Looks like theyre made of Lego...no idea where they got that design from!
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I've been on the websit the gear looks top glass
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As worn by Craig Kieswetter.
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Very overpriced in my opinion and it is almost impossible in my opinion for a M&H to pick up well.
Eh?! How?
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hey Dan i take it you own a M&H? what is the spec of yours?
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i had an amplus for a couple of months at 2lb 13oz and it picked up far lighter than the 2lb 9oz other bat i was using
the middle is pretty high but not so high to be un useable our our wickets if you see what i mean
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Eh?! How?
Quite - you should see my 2lb 15 Distinction - it picks up lighter than our openers 2lb 10oz Flare!¬
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did any of these bats you are talking about have a stamped shoulder with letters or numbers ??
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mine did'nt
it had '13' in pencil which i took to be the weight,as in 2lb 13oz
no other markings
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mine did'nt
it had '13' in pencil which i took to be the weight,as in 2lb 13oz
no other markings
That's what they use in the shop. Even I could make a Amplus/Distinction pick up well - they've got quite high middles!
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Eh?! How?
Like I said just my opinion, what I should have made clear was I was talking in the main about the solution & original low bats as these are the two I have seen and picked up. My statement around pick up was based on them having such low middles that there are very bottom heavy therefore almost impossible to get a good pick up in my opinion. The disctinction, amplus and other bats with hover middles may be different.
I personally have just never been the biggest fan of M&H bats, again very expensive core hat they are.
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they are expensive,that's for sure
i had a 2 11lb distinction that picked up heavy-if you look at the size of the toe it's hardly surprising, the amplus picked up very very light
ive sent bats to them for repairs and refurbs and they have been top class, sold my distinction to a clubmate who loves it, put another guy in touch with M and H who are sending him a 2lb 11 LH Distinction this week
I would doubt I would personally pay £395.00 myself for the grade 1 or £300.00 for the grade 2
In fact I would'nt.
The only thing I would say is in my experience the bats do last if looked after...but that's also true of many other brands
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Like I said just my opinion, what I should have made clear was I was talking in the main about the solution & original low bats as these are the two I have seen and picked up. My statement around pick up was based on them having such low middles that there are very bottom heavy therefore almost impossible to get a good pick up in my opinion. The disctinction, amplus and other bats with hover middles may be different.
I personally have just never been the biggest fan of M&H bats, again very expensive core hat they are.
They are expensive bats, but others are pretty much just as pricey! £420 RRP for Salix's top model (Pod Players), Newbery at £450 for their top model (Tour XL) and £450 for the M&H top model, so not a huge difference between them. I guess it is up to the buyer in the end, all of these brands are well established and are considered among the best money can buy. :)
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They are expensive bats, but others are pretty much just as pricey! £420 RRP for Salix's top model (Pod Players), Newbery at £450 for their top model (Tour XL) and £450 for the M&H top model, so not a huge difference between them. I guess it is up to the buyer in the end, all of these brands are well established and are considered among the best money can buy. :)
That is true, but with Salix at least I have seen my bat made from start to finish (never been to newbery) I do not believe this to be true at M&H I know they shape there own clefts etc. Anyway I will see if I can get to use a true M&H bat in a net and see if my opinions change.
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Hi all,
I just received my Millichamp and Hall T1 Bag, and that thing is immense. It's just huge.
Because of it's 'stand up' nature, the sides and bottom are very stiff, which is good as it's always open and you can see everything inside it, you dont have to worry about the bag sagging and hiding hard to reach things in it's vast spaces or corners.
The monochromatic color looks great and the embroidery is very smart.
I carry 7 bats (in full length covers) in my bag, pads, gloves, helmet, strippers, combo thigh pad, jockstrap, armguard, repair kit, 7 balls, mallet, grip cone, scales, moisture meter etc. (the works) and it all fits in with some space to spare. Stands up really well too. None of this toppling over rubbish.
Yes, it costs a lot of money, but, brand snobbery and 'pose value' has a bit to be said for it, sometimes. I hate having to explain to everyone about my Ayrtek helmet and Hammer Bats every week (no they aren't from ebay, yes it is English willow, yes it's from America, yes that's carbon fibre), they now see the M&H bag and give me a knowing look, and assume i'm far better at cricket than i am.
I'm just waiting on a pair of T1 gloves to arrive, (to Australia) and then i'll get back to you all about whether or not the Aluminum is a gimmick or not.