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Title: University Cricket
Post by: Kez on February 16, 2013, 02:06:53 PM
Aware some other people in this forum are also students but everyone's opinions are welcome:

University Cricket in 2013 had been changed to T20 not the current 50 over competition but subsequently changed back to 50 overs due to student uproar. Note this change did not affect the MCCU sides or div1a sides

But a little more controversial was the Loughborough MCCU Ladies side application to join the mens league as the the women's league was not enough of a challenge (record score of 420 odd for 0)

Was just wondering people's opinions of both matters
Title: Re: University Cricket
Post by: Manormanic on February 16, 2013, 03:05:47 PM
This has been covered elsewhere on here - on the former, was always a silly idea (I remember when it used to be 60 overs a side!) on the latter, I assume they were turned down!
Title: Re: University Cricket
Post by: Kez on February 16, 2013, 03:14:17 PM
Yes the women's team were not allowed to join the mens league.
Title: Re: University Cricket
Post by: Manormanic on February 16, 2013, 03:15:29 PM
thankfully some common sense still exists then!
Title: Re: University Cricket
Post by: Kez on February 16, 2013, 03:20:38 PM
See I was almost looking forward to playing a side with multiple internationals/ future internationals and see what level women's cricket really is at. But on the other hand the rules are clear, mens league and women's league
Title: Re: University Cricket
Post by: cricketbadger on February 16, 2013, 03:56:14 PM
womens team will be pretty much england under 19's academny and all that. dont play for england or a county unless you go to loughborough
Title: Re: University Cricket
Post by: Kez on February 16, 2013, 04:01:52 PM
I think that's pretty broad statement cricketbadger, Essex Ladies captain was at the university of Bedfordshire last year. But with the national performance centre being at Loughborough of course it helps to be based there...
Title: Re: University Cricket
Post by: cricketbadger on February 16, 2013, 04:13:11 PM
Yeh it was a bold statement.
Im just bitter, apologies :)
Title: Re: University Cricket
Post by: Manormanic on February 16, 2013, 05:41:03 PM
See I was almost looking forward to playing a side with multiple internationals/ future internationals and see what level women's cricket really is at. But on the other hand the rules are clear, mens league and women's league

I wouldn't have a problem with the lasses at Loughborough playing for the men's side if they were good enough (and some probably are) but to have a women only team in a mens competition opens all kinds of unwanted issues.
Title: Re: University Cricket
Post by: Kez on February 16, 2013, 05:57:46 PM
I do agree withe number of issues. But it is now not happening so it's been put back another year
Title: Re: University Cricket
Post by: cricketbadger on February 16, 2013, 06:43:23 PM
Yeh no problem with females playing if they are good enough as an individual
Title: Re: University Cricket
Post by: Manormanic on February 16, 2013, 06:46:51 PM
Yeh no problem with females playing if they are good enough as an individual
Its tricky in some ways because - well, can you imagine the fuss if a man wanted to play for a woman's side?  Lets make it a more complicated moral issue and say it was a lad who couldn't get in the men's side....what do you do then?
Title: Re: University Cricket
Post by: cricketbadger on February 16, 2013, 06:50:29 PM
Yeh I was speaking to my girlfriend about this the other day when we spoke about the sarah taylor issue
If girls are good enough then they can play for the men, but what if a male isnt good enough for the men, can they play with the women? in theory why not? I dont see a problem, its essentially the same thing, I'd think its unfair on the male if he wasnt allowed. but i dont think it is/would be allowed
Title: Re: University Cricket
Post by: Manormanic on February 16, 2013, 06:52:18 PM
Yeh I was speaking to my girlfriend about this the other day when we spoke about the sarah taylor issue
If girls are good enough then they can play for the men, but what if a male isnt good enough for the men, can they play with the women? in theory why not? I dont see a problem, its essentially the same thing, I'd think its unfair on the male if he wasnt allowed. but i dont think it is/would be allowed

This is unfortunately the problem with equality legislation.

Its okay for the woman to want to be equal with the man, but not for the man to be equal with the woman in reverse.

The same applies to issues of race/religion.
Title: Re: University Cricket
Post by: Kez on February 16, 2013, 07:29:33 PM
Its an absolute can of worms!! because when does mens cricket become unisex cricket? and will womens cricket become unisex cricket? and then every other sport has to be looked at too ...
Title: Re: University Cricket
Post by: tim2000s on February 16, 2013, 07:48:36 PM
Make all sports unisex, and the top people in each sport represent the country. That is true equality. If that ends up being 11 men or 11 women, well, that's tough, but no-one can then complain.
Title: Re: University Cricket
Post by: Kez on February 16, 2013, 09:22:22 PM
Make all sports unisex, and the top people in each sport represent the country. That is true equality. If that ends up being 11 men or 11 women, well, that's tough, but no-one can then complain.

ohh if only if it was that simple
Title: Re: University Cricket
Post by: Manormanic on February 17, 2013, 09:56:42 AM
Make all sports unisex, and the top people in each sport represent the country. That is true equality. If that ends up being 11 men or 11 women, well, that's tough, but no-one can then complain.

lovely idea in theory!
Title: Re: University Cricket
Post by: Coach on February 17, 2013, 10:04:37 AM
Womens sport would then cese to exist at an international and more than likely county level...it would never work
Title: Re: University Cricket
Post by: Manormanic on February 17, 2013, 10:05:10 AM
Possibly so - hypothetically, is this a bad thing?
Title: Re: University Cricket
Post by: Coach on February 17, 2013, 10:07:44 AM
There would be enormous socio-political implications, there is a reason so much money is spent annually to encourage female participation in sport despite a very small percentage being financially viable as businesses
Title: Re: University Cricket
Post by: Manormanic on February 17, 2013, 10:10:49 AM
There would be enormous socio-political implications, there is a reason so much money is spent annually to encourage female participation in sport despite a very small percentage being financially viable business

Indeed - its always interesting to see the politicians trying to sell women's sport!
Title: Re: University Cricket
Post by: tushar sehgal on February 18, 2013, 12:25:49 AM
Does anyone think that maybe women have a duty to support the female athletes by attending these events? I find it disappointing that men would drag their female friends to a match but don't see the same excitement for the other side...
Title: Re: University Cricket
Post by: cricketbadger on February 18, 2013, 02:46:36 PM
I'll be going to the womens ashes test in the summer
Title: Re: University Cricket
Post by: ProCricketer1982 on February 18, 2013, 05:27:41 PM
I'll be trying to attend some of the womens test matches that are in the UK this summer hopefully (if there are any, I've not actually checked). I personally actually prefer the womens game (same with womens football) as I find I can learn more from them than watching men.

plus the obvious of course :)
Title: Re: University Cricket
Post by: cricketbadger on February 18, 2013, 06:04:18 PM
Just the 1 ashes test unfortunately. I dont think any of the other countries actually play tests.